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What track should be tenth in the 1958 season?

Poll ended at 07 Oct 2017, 21:52

Ain-Diab
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Sebring
1
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peteroli34 wrote:Andre Simon - Gordini Type 56 chassis 1 - Gordini G258/A engine 3

While Andre Simon appreciates the offer, after the unexpected extra F1 appearances, he wants to rest ahead of the Venezuelan GP the following weekend, where he'll be racing a sportscar for Voeckler. (Using some extreme creative licence here!)

In other news, stop voting Ain Diab for second race, you plebs. Monaco is second. Ain Diab is last. Learn to schedule pls.

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Following confirmation that Melbourne will host the first ever World Championship grand prix in Australia, Tony Gaze is expected to delay his retirement from motor racing until next year.

Gaze was previously set to hang up his helmet this year, bowing out with a podium finish at the Spanish Grand Prix with Ferrari, but with the 1958 season debuting with a race on home soil, Gaze is expected to be tempted out of retirement one last time.

"We want Tony to race for us in Australia, and I think Tony wants to do it also," said Ferrari operations manager Simone Bizzarri. "We plan to have one car next year to rotate amongst local and young drivers, and to have Tony in this car for Melbourne is the idea. We will see if it happens."

Gaze is expected to direct his attentions towards gliding after his racing career comes to an end, having been introduced to the sport by fellow competitor Prince Bira.
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Connaught will send only one car overseas for the final race:

Stuart Lewis-Evans - Connaught Type B chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 9
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Rob Walker will send only their two regular Lotus-BCMA cars with B. Bira and Troy Ruttman as the two drivers
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B.C.M.A. will repair all outstanding damages and submit the same entries for Watkins Glen.
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Asso di Fiori will enter Watkins Glen, Marimon behind the wheel, O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 14 and O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 8.
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Scuderia Centro-Sud, Scuderia Ugolini nor Loonmotor will enter the US Grand Prix. However, as agreed with Biscione, Centro-Sud allow Masten Gregory to drive for North America Racing Team for this event.
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Bonnier will drive the Gordini that is still TBA
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Right, the deadline has passed.

The Madman Muntz entries have been turned down. I'm afraid that I can't justify RNGing three cars without a prior budget or any indication beyong "Kurtis Kraft-Offenhauser".

John Norwood, however, has been accepted on the condition that neither he nor his car will appear in any other race. I'll take this as an opportunity to begin cautiously allowing the very limited introduction of one-off cars without requiring a budget.
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In the news

October 5th - Yugoslavian dissident Milovan Djilas sentenced to a further 7 years in prison

October 7th - Einar Gerhardsen's Norwegian Labour Party renews parliamentary majority

October 8th - Gunpowder explosion kills FLN leader Ali La Pointe and 17 others; Battle of Algiers ends

October 8th - Brooklyn Dodgers announce controversial move to Los Angeles

October 8th - Border skirmishes exacerbate tensions between Syria and Turkey

October 10th - Ghana finance minister refused service in Delaware; Eisenhower apologises

October 10th - Ayn Rand publishes Atlas Shrugged

October 10th - Suhrawardy forced to resign as Pakistani PM over political tensions

October 10th - Radioactive material released in fire at Windscale power plant in Cumberland

October 11th - IBM computer in Massachusetts calculates Sputnik orbit

October 11th - Sammarinese regency recognises provisional government

October 12th - First commercial flight to Antarctica leaves from California

October 12th - Lester B. Pearson wins Nobel Peace Prize for resolving Suez Crisis

October 13th - Nasser deploys Egyptian troops to Syrian port against Turkey

October 13th - After Ostmark fails, East Germany issues new currency

October 14th - Elizabeth II opens Canadian Parliament

October 16th - US Air Force launches aluminium projectiles into space

October 16th - Brazilian farmer claims alien abduction

October 17th - Albert Camus awarded Nobel Prize in Literature

October 17th - I.I. Chundrigar appointed interim head of Pakistani coalition

October 20th - Guatemalan election won by Miguel Ortiz Passarelli amid fraud allegations

October 21st - 95 killed in Turkish train collision

October 21st - American soldier killed in Vietnam

October 22nd - François Duvalier takes office as Haitian President

October 23rd - Moroccan forces occupy villages surrounding the Spanish exclave of Ifni

October 24th - Acting Guatemalan President González deposed by junta led by Óscar Mendoza Azurdia

October 25th - High-profile mafia hitman Albert Anastasia gunned down in New York barbershop

October 26th - Guillermo Flores Avendaño appointed head of Guatemalan junta

October 26th - Georgy Zhukov removed from Presidium while on trip to Albania

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Zeltweg Flugplatzrennen - Ernst Vogel

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Border MRC National @ Charterhall - John Higham (Racing) - Jim Clark (BMRC Trophy Handicap) - Jimmy Blumer (Production/Unlimited)

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Coppa Carri @ Monza - Edoardo Lualdi

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tommykl wrote:The Madman Muntz entries have been turned down. I'm afraid that I can't justify RNGing three cars without a prior budget or any indication beyong "Kurtis Kraft-Offenhauser".


I know it's probably too late, but I was thinking the chassis would be a Kurtis 500D and the engines would be the same kind of Offy L4 that was used in 1960 by Scarab.

Pretty sure Muntz already owned some Kurtis Kraft chassis from his USAC exploits, so that shouldn't be a huge issue money-wise. The main problem would be the modified Offy engines, but they produced so many that I kinda hoped it'd be okay.

Plus, it's not like Muntz would be entering any non-American races - it was just about fleshing out the grid for this GP really
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October 26th 1957, United States Grand Prix qualifying

This is it. Formula 1 has arrived in upstate New York for the very first time, with the world's fastest racing cars gearing up for a 93-lap race around the new Watkins Glen circuit. The talk of the paddock remains that of the world championship, which has raged from the first race of the season. The much faster Jack Brabham has all but dominated the races he has finished, but poor reliability has left him second behind the more consistent and reliable Stirling Moss. The Brit has an eight-point lead going into this race. Here's how Brabham can still win.

-Brabham wins, and Moss finishes sixth or lower.

With all that clarified, let's take a look at the 21 drivers present.

1. Isabelle Haskell (Isabelle Haskell) - O.S.C.A F156A chassis 16, O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 12
2. John Norwood (John Norwood) - Lister BHL chassis 1, Bristol BS1 engine 1
3. Stirling Moss (O.S.C.A.) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 5, O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 15
4. Juan Manuel Fangio (O.S.C.A.) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 6, O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 5
5. José Froilán González (O.S.C.A.) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 7, O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 6
6. Ottorino Volonterio (O.S.C.A.) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 8, O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 13
7. Archie Scott Brown (Norfolk Engineering) - Vanwall VW56 chassis 6, Vanwall VE2 engine 4
8. Umberto Maglioli (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 801 chassis 3, Ferrari DS50 engine 2
9. Phil Hill (North American Racing Team) - Ferrari 801 chassis 2, Ferrari DS50 engine 3
10. Masten Gregory (North American Racing Team) - Ferrari 801 chassis 1, Ferrari DS50 engine 1
11. Robert Manzon (Gordini) - Gordini Type 56 chassis 2, Gordini G258/A engine 1
12. Jo Bonnier (Gordini) - Gordini Type 56 chassis 1, Gordini G258/A engine 3
14. Hernando da Silva Ramos (Gordini) - Gordini Type 56 chassis 4, Gordini G258/A engine 5
15. Harry Schell (Gordini) - Gordini Type 56 chassis 3, Gordini G258/A engine 2
16. Stuart Lewis-Evans (Connaught Engineering) - Connaught Type B chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 9
17. B. Bira (Rob Walker Racing) - Lotus 10 chassis 6, O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 1
18. Troy Ruttman (Rob Walker Racing) - Lotus 10 chassis 7, O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 2
19. Peter Collins (B.C.M.A.) - B.C.M.A. RP.1001 chassis 1, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern engine 4
20. Jack Brabham (B.C.M.A.) - B.C.M.A. RP.1001 chassis 2, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern engine 2
21. Mike Hawthorn (B.C.M.A.) - B.C.M.A. RP.1001 chassis 3, B.C.M.A. A/AS Wyvern engine 5
22. Onofre Marimón (Asso di Fiori) - O.S.C.A. F156A chassis 14, O.S.C.A. 1557 engine 8

-Scuderia Ferrari, season largely done, decided to send only one car to Watkins Glen for Umberto Maglioli. The other two 801 chassis were loaned to the NART team for Ferrari driver Phil Hill and potential 1958 signing Masten Gregory.
-With Voeckler disputing Gordini's intentions to enter André Simon in Watkins Glen, the team had to substitute Jo Bonnier in the car at the last minute, while Hernando da Silva Ramos and Harry Schell jump back into the cars for the last race of the year.
-With financial issues pressing closer and closer, Connaught has sent only one car Stateside, with Stuart Lewis-Evans taking the wheel.
-Similarly, Rob Walker Racing left its B.C.M.A. in Europe, with only the Lotuses making the trip. Troy Ruttman, who usually drives the B.C.M.A., takes Trintignant's drive for his home race.
-As always, the entry list includes a couple of privateers. Experienced sportscar driver Isabelle Haskell loaned an O.S.C.A. chassis from David Hampshire coupled with a factory engine, while SCCA regular John Norwood has a converted Lister sportscar with a 2-litre Bristol engine.
-Most European teams did not make the trip, most notably Vanwall, Owen and Scuderia Centro Sud. The last of these therefore allowed Masten Gregory, under contract with Centro Sud, to drive for NART.
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Here are the qualifying performance figures.

Hawthorn - 119
Marimón - 117
P. Hill - 117
Bira - 116
Maglioli - 115
Lewis-Evans - 113
Bonnier - 112
Collins - 112
Schell - 112
González - 112
Volonterio - 112
Ruttman - 111
Scott Brown - 111
Moss - 110
Gregory - 110
Manzon - 110
Ramos - 108
Brabham - 108
Norwood - 107
Haskell - 106
Fangio - 103
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Qualifying results
1. Peter Collins (B.C.M.A.) - 1:19.70
2. Jack Brabham (B.C.M.A.) - 1:20.13
3. Stirling Moss (O.S.C.A.) - 1:20.62
4. Mike Hawthorn (B.C.M.A.) - 1:20.85
5. Onofre Marimón (O.S.C.A.) - 1:21.86
6. José Froilán González (O.S.C.A.) - 1:22.27
7. Ottorino Volonterio (O.S.C.A.) - 1:22.35
8. Hernando da Silva Ramos (Gordini) - 1:22.91
9. Jo Bonnier (Gordini) - 1:22.99
10. Robert Manzon (Gordini) - 1:23.60
11. Harry Schell (Gordini) - 1:24.59
12. Troy Ruttman (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) - 1:25.17
13. Juan Manuel Fangio (O.S.C.A.) - 1:25.22
14. Umberto Maglioli (Ferrari) - 1:25.23
15. B. Bira (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) - 1:25.36
16. Masten Gregory (Ferrari) - 1:27.17
17. Archie Scott Brown (Vanwall) - 1:27.50
18. Phil Hill (Ferrari) - 1:28.05
19. Isabelle Haskell (O.S.C.A.) - 1:31.47
20. John Norwood (Lister-Bristol) - 1:36.06
21. Stuart Lewis-Evans (Connaught-O.S.C.A.) - No time

No true surprise at the very front, though Peter Collins declined to give Jack Brabham a confidence-boosting pole position. Stirling Moss prepares his defence of the championship league with a front row start, while Onofre Marimón stuns the crowd with a second row performance. Umberto Maglioli could only manage 14th place due to setting only one time, which was one better than Stuart Lewis-Evans. The Connaught mechanics spent much of the session agitating around the car, but the starter motor refused to budge.

The Connaught's mechanical failure prevented an otherwise certain DNQ for John Norwood, who takes his Lister-Bristol to the grid behind fellow privateer Isabelle Haskell. Gregory, Hill and Scott Brown bring up the rest of the field behind the usual suspects.
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To avoid further potential embarrassment and depression, I have decided to make a decision very carefully to resign from Connaught at the end of this season. I just don't feel deserved to be running a team here but also my new college plans are affecting me from taking part in this series as well as possibly another couple series. More details to come when I can state it down on the "Nipping Out" thread.
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And have some race performance.

Bonnier 37
Haskell 23
P. Hill 22
Brabham 20
Gregory 19
Collins 19
Schell 19
Fangio 9
Maglioli 6
Norwood 6
Ramos 4
Scott Brown 4
Bira -6
Marimón -8
Ruttman -13
Volonterio -13
Manzon -16
Hawthorn -17
Moss -27
González -27

The race will be fairly light on attrition. 12 drivers should finish the race, with one engine failure and a C1 accident.
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October 27th 1957, United States Grand Prix

Mike Hawthorn got the best start, with the front row all getting off rather sedately and falling behind Hawthorn and González. Collins and Brabham led Moss, who was in fifth place at the end of the first lap. Brabham left his bad start behind him, dismissing Collins and González on the second lap, while Moss dropped to sixth behind a charging Harry Schell. On the fourth lap, Hawthorn quietly let Brabham into the race lead and the provisional world title. However, this seemed to be solely to prove a point regarding their Pedralbes accident, as Hawthorn took the lead back on the next lap. The Australian's title hopes further suffered when González let Moss into fifth place, and even more so when he fell behind Collins and Moss passed Schell for fourth place.

The whole race's landscape changed on the twelfth lap when Hawthorn lost control at the uphill Esses, stalling on the trackside grass. Collins inherited the lead, while Brabham was caught out and barely kept second place ahead of Ramos, Moss and Bonnier. Brabham had trouble recovering pace, and Moss took second place on lap 15. This didn't last until the end of the lap, though, as both were passed by a surprising Harry Schell, and Brabham was also passed by Ramos. Volonterio was the second man to retire, with a gearbox failure. Harry Schell followed suit a few laps later with differential failure from a brilliant second place.

The race for the title changed again shortly after lap 20, when Brabham and Bonnier rocketed to second and third places taking advantage of a mistake by Moss. This seemed symptomatic of an issue with Moss' car, which held up Ramos but allowed a very feisty Masten Gregory to take fourth place! The problem with the O.S.C.A. was soon revealed as Moss stopped at the top of the Esses, leaking oil under his car. This elevated the unlikely Isabelle Haskell to sixth place behind Gregory and Maglioli. On lap 32, Brabham finally took second place behind Collins when he passed Bonnier.

It took a few laps for Gregory and Haskell to drop out of the points, replaced by Ramos, Marimón and Fangio. Shortly after the halfway mark, Bonnier made his way past Brabham again, though the Australian remained faster. On lap 55, he took second place again, with Collins still comfortably in the lead and Umberto Maglioli now in fourth place. Archie Scott Brown was the race's fifth retirement when his gearbox failed. Ramos followed suit a few laps later with suspension issues. Robert Manzon's brakes followed, leaving only Bonnier in the race for Gordini.

Bonnier couldn't keep up the effort, falling behind Brabham by a way, though he was still far ahead of Fangio and Maglioli. As Brabham began to catch Collins, discussions began to occur in the pits at B.C.M.A. and O.S.C.A.. Team orders to let a teammate past hadn't officially occurred in the world championship before, while O.S.C.A. considered swapping Moss for Fangio, a move that hadn't yet been attempted during a live championship race. As Fangio lost out to Maglioli, O.S.C.A. lost interest, but B.C.M.A. waited to ensure that Bonnier was out of harm's way. The Swede refused to fall far behind enough for a long, long time, delaying the situation uncomfortably late.

As the gap tightened and there were ten laps remaining, Peter Collins was shown a chalkboard with the indication "2-1 SWAP". Immediately, he began to carry less speed through the corners, and Brabham began to catch up. When Juan Manuel Fangio's engine expired, the move became yet more justified, with González inheriting sixth place, too far to make a difference were he to swap with Moss. Brabham caught Collins with 7 laps remaining, though Collins was unenthusiastic about letting the pass happen immediately. Brabham, unimpressed, blew past on lap 88, though Collins, still trying to prove a point, stayed in his tracks, at the very least pretending to look for a good spot to overtake.

It was all for naught. In what would be a very controversial move, Jack Brabham won a record fourth race of the season, the tenth of his career, and a record third consecutive world title. Peter Collins finished close behind in second place, while Jo Bonnier ended up relegated two laps behind. Umberto Maglioli finally recorded another points finish with fourth place ahead of Marimón and González. Gregory and Haskell finished just outside the points despite a very good race performance. Hill, Bira, Ruttman and Norwood were the last finishers.

1. Jack Brabham (B.C.M.A.) 2:12:01.74
2. Peter Collins (B.C.M.A.) +0.72
3. Jo Bonnier (Gordini) +2 laps
4. Umberto Maglioli (Ferrari) +7 laps
5. Onofre Marimón (O.S.C.A.) +8 laps
6. José Froilán González (O.S.C.A.) +9 laps
7. Masten Gregory (Ferrari) +9 laps
8. Isabelle Haskell (O.S.C.A.) +9 laps
9. Phil Hill (Ferrari) +9 laps
10. B. Bira (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) +11 laps
11. Troy Ruttman (Lotus-O.S.C.A.) +11 laps
12. John Norwood (Lister-Bristol) +13 laps
Ret. Juan Manuel Fangio (O.S.C.A.) +14 laps/Engine
Ret. Robert Manzon (Gordini) +35 laps/Brakes
Ret. Hernando da Silva Ramos (Gordini) +38 laps/Suspension
Ret. Archie Scott Brown (Vanwall) +41 laps/Gearbox
Ret. Stirling Moss (O.S.C.A.) +68 laps/Oil leak
Ret. Harry Schell (Gordini) +75 laps/Differential
Ret. Ottorino Volonterio (O.S.C.A.) +78 laps/Gearbox
Ret. Mike Hawthorn (B.C.M.A.) +82 laps/Spin

Fastest lap: Jack Brabham (B.C.M.A.) - 1:21.14

Championship standings
Drivers

1. Jack Brabham - 42 (CHAMPION)
2. Stirling Moss - 41
3. Peter Collins - 28
4. Umberto Maglioli - 22
5. Onofre Marimón - 16
6. André Simon - 15 (2 2nds)
7. José Froilán González - 15 (1 2nd)
8. Jo Bonnier - 13
9. Juan Manuel Fangio - 12
10. Robert Manzon - 11 (1 win)
11. Mike Hawthorn - 11 (2 3rds)
12. Ottorino Volonterio - 10
13. Tony Gaze - 8 (2 3rds)
14. Duncan Hamilton - 8 (1 4th)
15. B. Bira - 7
16. Troy Ruttman - 4
17. Giulio Cabianca - 3 (1 4th, 2 7ths)
18. Graham Hill - 3 (1 4th, 2 Rets)
19. Masten Gregory - 2 (1 5th, 1 7th)
20. Maria Teresa de Filippis - 2 (1 5th, 2 11ths)
21. Alan Stacey - 1 (1 6th, 1 7th)
22. Joe Flynn - 1 (1 6th, 1 Ret)

Constructors
1. O.S.C.A. - 69 (CHAMPIONS)
2. B.C.M.A. - 65
3. Gordini - 37
4. Ferrari - 33
5. Lotus-O.S.C.A. - 9
6. Vanwall - 8
7. Alfa Romeo - 2
8. O.S.C.A.-BRM - 1 (1 6th, 1 7th)
9. IRC-O.S.C.A. - 1 (1 6th, 1 Ret)

Entrants
1. British Commonwealth Motorsport Association - 65 (CHAMPIONS)
2. Officine Specializzate Costruzione Automobili - 58
3. Scuderia Ferrari - 33
4. Alexander Racing Team-Gordini - 29
5. Asso di Fiori - 16
6. Écurie Voeckler - 12
7. Rob Walker Racing - 11
8. Vandervell Products Ltd. - 8
9. Scuderia Centro Sud - 2
10. Owen Racing Organisation - 1 (1 6th, 1 7th)
11. Irish Racing Cars - 1 (1 6th, 1 Ret)

Post-race report to follow.
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Post-race report
Injuries
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Damages
Fangio's engine (1557 engine 5) - £1 496
Hawthorn's chassis (RP.1001 chassis 3) - £1 906

Prize money (distance)
Jack Brabham - £2 000
Peter Collins - £2 000
Jo Bonnier - £1 978
Umberto Maglioli - £1 925
Onofre Marimón - £1 914
José Froilán González - £1 903
Masten Gregory - £1 903
Isabelle Haskell - £1 903
Phil Hill - £1 903
B. Bira - £1 882
Troy Ruttman - £1 882
John Norwood - £1 860
Juan Manuel Fangio - £1 849
Robert Manzon - £1 624
Hernando da Silva Ramos - £1 591
Archie Scott Brown - £1 559
Stirling Moss - £1 269
Harry Schell - £1 194
Ottorino Volonterio - £1 161
Mike Hawthorn - £1 118
Stuart Lewis-Evans - £500

Prize money (position)
Jack Brabham - £27 500
Peter Collins - £22 750
Jo Bonnier - £16 500
Umberto Maglioli - £11 750
Onofre Marimón - £9 000
José Froilán González - £6 250
Masten Gregory - £5 500
Isabelle Haskell - £4 750
Phil Hill - £4 000
B. Bira - £3 250
Troy Ruttman - £2 500
John Norwood - £2 250
Juan Manuel Fangio - £2 000
Robert Manzon - £1 750
Hernando da Silva Ramos - £1 500
Archie Scott Brown - £1 250
Stirling Moss - £1 000
Harry Schell - £750
Ottorino Volonterio - £500
Mike Hawthorn - £250

Budgets to be updated soon.
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End of the season

Before we head into next season, here are a few things:

-Due to prolonged inactivity, Group Ultimate, Scuderia Albertini and Assasti Millanti have closed down. Their existing money will not be redistributed, though any components will be put up for the traditional auction.

-As the landscape of ASMF-active members has changed a lot this past year, and many complex deals have been made regarding team ownership, I would like to ask you all to state a rough outline of your 1958 plans: which team(s) are you running and, if said team is different to the 1957 team, what happens to the previous team?

-If you do not respond, it will be assumed that you intend to carry on with the status quo, and all your money and components will be carried on into 1958.

The auction will begin in a few hours. You may begin to post your plans.
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I'd like to join this series for 1958.

I'll be up for anything - either I can take over Rob Walker from Wizzie, or one of Pasta's small teams, or enter a new team... depends :P

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I too would be interested in running either a new team or taking over one in 1958. It looks like the latter is more likely as the few teams left vacant on the RL 1958 entry list are either defunct or F2 entrants.
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IRC will focus on Libre events from next year, another crazy entry will appear at Sebring (please, no one enter any Kurtis Krafts, that will ruin my plans for the 1959 race) and I might throw in some more conventional local entries along the way (F2 Porsches, maybe some Coopers, that sort of thing).
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Hernandez will carry on, hopefully with Thirion driving, and with a brand new spanking chassis or engine.

DB will carry on with the same ol' goodies and with the possibility of a new hire.

De Oliveira and Haskell will both return.
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I'd be in for running an existing team (if there's one available) since I believes there's hardly any demand fro new entries?
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Scuderia Centro-Sud, Scuderia Ugolini and Loonmotor will continue through 1958. Plans for each team are yet to be decided, but Scuderia Centro-Sud will be my main project, with Ugolini as a side interest and Loonmotor as backmarkers.

Also, I will again be entering a brace of privateers at each race.
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O.S.C.A. will continue in 1958, and as always will be happy to sell cars to customers.
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Owen Racing Organisation will continue into '58.

We have a full Vanwall package available to any interested privateers for the low low price of £22,000.
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B.C.M.A. will continue into 1958.

The C-01.EX-Bentley package remains available for sale for all ambitious, interested parties.
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Might join 1958, Although I don't know if I should run an inactive team, or Create something Original for the series, I have a plan in mind, as once (if we do reach 1961) I'll probably run Honda, who will take over the team I have planned, A small British team, Known as Genesis Engineering
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Actually, after further research, is there any chance I could enter Brian Naylor's JBW team in 1958 (if it's not already taken) with either customer chassis or self-built JBW cars?(which would be a year early)
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Gordini have of course withdrawn from F1. With its assests being acquired by Voeckler. ART Themselves will be spun of as a seperate entity taking ownership of 2 of the type 56 packages and 1 alfa romeo package to be run at selected events during the 1958 season.

Meanwhile i hope to reenter Cooper for next season and beyond.
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Team Lotus will return full-time for 1958 with a revolutionary car design. This means that Rob Walker Racing will be handed over to Dom
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Transfer confirmed, after an agreement with Wizzie

Rob Walker Racing would like to keep their partnership with Lotus.
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https://gprejects.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 27#p382427

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As Petoli states above, Gordini will now morph into Voeckler. As we are inheriting the IP for their cars as well, they are in essence a manufacturer, but for storyline purposes they are only semi-works.

I will also march on at the helm of Scuderia Ferrari whilst controlling Voeckler, an exception that was vetted and approved earlier in the year.

Along with these two primary projects, I intend to have Ecurie Ecosse return once more on a local privateer basis, and will be looking to one of the British manufacturers to strike a deal for rentals.

I am also looking to licence out North American Racing Team once again to a responsible individual, who will be provided with one or more top-spec Ferraris for Sebring.

I also plan to enter Testut and Chiron at Monaco if nobody else elects to do so, and expect further privateer efforts not yet planned as the season progresses.
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Hampshire Racing Alliance will soldier on into 1958. My intention is to return to a two-car lineup, with the potential of a third car should David Hampshire fancy an occasional entry.

After a year off to lick his wounds and recover from his embarrassing performance in Bangkok, I intend to have Sir Jeremy Boles have a couple of one-off entries throughout the year. Sadly though, he still doesn't know what good equipment is. :pantano:
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DB will build a brand new DB 01 and DB 84-1 combination and sell it to Norfolk for 5 000. DB will also sell to auction all Bentley engines on it's possesion and give 1k of it's profits to Norfolk
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...he does (did). :facepalm:
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Normal32 wrote:DB will build a brand new DB 01 and DB 84-1 combination and sell it to Norfolk for 5 000. DB will also sell to auction all Bentley engines on it's possesion and give 1k of it's profits to Norfolk


After an agreement with DB, Norfolk Engineering will enter into the 1958 season.
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A few local outings for Reg Parnell Racing (with current equipment and finances) and Ecurie Maarsbergen.

I have no plans on reviving Cooper, so if anyone else wants to start with them with a clean slate, you got my permission. I'm not sure how the ownership rights are anymore. Then again, that was only the case of one specific model.
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