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Tyrrell will use 2 D&Ts on next years car

2 for next year

Both on Next years car.

I would like to join the waiting list pls

Scuderia Ferrari will spend three D&T opportunities on next year's car.

AdrianBelmonte_ wrote:I would like to join the waiting list pls

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Williams will sit out this round of D&T to provide some well earned time off to its staff, and allow our team to come back fully refreshed and ready for the big push to help Ayrton Senna in his quest for his maiden drivers title

Round 11 - Samba Grand Prix, Hockenheimring, 25th August 1985

Qualifying Results:
With everything turned-up to maximum revs, full turbocharger boost pressure, and ultra low-downforce configurations, even the quickest cars down the Hatzenbachbogen - the Minardis - could not quite compete on equal terms with Ferrari, Williams and BMW.

Contrary to Pironi and Alboreto on the front row, Prost was noticeably less comfortable around the German circuit.

A strong qualifying show from both BMW cars, in particular by local star Winkelhock, helped ease relations with the manufacturer after a difficult introductory season as a works team.

Arrows seemed the only ones who could make much use of the power of their Alfa engines, as neither the Alfa Romeo works - nor junior - team showed much promise, and the latter even managed to out-qualify the former, with Tambay failing to make the grid by less than a hundredth of a second.



1. Didier Pironi - Ferrari (Goodyear) 01:17.243 (Trap: 276 km/h)
2. Michele Alboreto - Ferrari (Goodyear) +01.343 (Trap: 272 km/h)
3. Steffan Bellof - Williams-BMW (Goodyear) +01.551 (Trap: 272 km/h)
4. Manfred Winkelhock - BMW (Pirelli) +02.455 (Trap: 273 km/h)
5. Alain Prost - Ferrari (Goodyear) +02.626 (Trap: 272 km/h)
6. Nigel Mansell - Brabham-Porsche (Goodyear) +03.366 (Trap: 263 km/h)
7. Stefan Johansson - BMW (Pirelli) +03.533 (Trap: 273 km/h)
8. Alessandro Nannini - Arrows-Alfa Romeo (Goodyear) +03.863 (Trap: 262 km/h)
9. Jean-Pierre Jarier - Tyrrell-BMW (Goodyear) +03.888 (Trap: 269 km/h)
10. Thierry Boutsen - Toleman-Hart (Goodyear) +03.928 (Trap: 257 km/h)
11. John Watson - Brabham-Porsche (Goodyear) +03.997 (Trap: 264 km/h)
12. Ayrton Senna - Williams-BMW (Goodyear) +04.177 (Trap: 275 km/h)
13. René Arnoux - Lotus-Renault (Pirelli) +04.242 (Trap: 259 km/h)
14. Nelson Piquet - McLaren-Honda (Goodyear) +04.300 (Trap: 261 km/h)
15. Andrea de Cesaris - Minardi-Ferrari (Pirelli) +04.307 (Trap: 296 km/h)
16. Ricardo Patrese - Minardi-Ferrari (Pirelli) +04.571 (Trap: 299 km/h)
17. Jacques Laffitte - McLaren-Honda (Goodyear) +05.080 (Trap: 264 km/h)
18. Elio de Angelis - Lotus-Renault (Pirelli) +05.137 (Trap: 260 km/h)
19. Derek Warwick - Tyrrell-BMW (Goodyear) +05.312 (Trap: 267 km/h)
20. Philippe Streiff - Ligier-Renault (Pirelli) +05.316 (Trap: 254 km/h)
21. Keke Rosberg - Arrows-Alfa Romeo (Goodyear) +05.390 (Trap: 266 km/h)
22. Derek Daly - RAM-Hart (Pirelli) +05.430 (Trap: 253 km/h)
23. Teo Fabi - Osella Squadra Corse Alfa-Alfa Romeo (Pirelli) +05.451 (Trap: 263 km/h)
24. Alan Jones - Toleman-Hart (Goodyear) +05.496 (Trap: 254 km/h)
25. Pierluigi Martini - Osella Squadra Corse Alfa-Alfa Romeo (Pirelli) +05.715 (Trap: 261 km/h)
26. Eddie Cheever - Lola-Renault (Goodyear) +06.159 (Trap: 258 km/h)
DNQ. Patrick Tambay - Alfa Romeo (Goodyear) +06.167 (Trap: 259 km/h)
DNQ. Desiré Wilson - Alfa Romeo (Goodyear) +06.534 (Trap: 263 km/h)
DNQ. Corrado Fabi - Spirit-Hart (Pirelli) +07.152 (Trap: 252 km/h)
DNQ. Alain Ferté - Ligier-Renault (Pirelli) +07.494 (Trap: 254 km/h)
DNQ. Christian Danner - Zakspeed (Pirelli) +08.663 (Trap: 265 km/h)

Race Results:
Pironi's win placed him at the lead of the Driver's Championship, usurping Ayrton Senna, at last.

After the success for bigger engines in Austria, everyone seemed to get carried away with how far they could push their cars' mechanical limits; both Brabhams, two of the Ferraris, the Tyrrell team, and Toleman teams all retired due to engine-induced problems, as well as several spins likely resulting from excess turbo pressure, including the embarrassed Williams team, who's inexperienced drivers threw a promising qualifying away.

Nannini's second place helped to put distance between the Arrows team and Minardi. Patrese and de Cesaris fell out of the points at the last minute; both Minardis had in fact retired due to complications from a vibration that developed from the twelve-cylinder turbo engine, and shook both cars to bits. This allowed Derek Daly to pick up the RAM team's first ever Formula One points, finishing four laps behind.

Manfred Winkelhock scored his first points, and a strong qualifying and race performance by the 'M Power' team will surely have helped secure further funding for BMW's works effort, come 1986.

Arnoux's fourth-place underlined what a miserable season it had been for Lotus, scoring only five total points between both drivers, so far.

Unclassified, Piquet spun his McLaren into the wall coming out of the Castrol-S, throwing away a virtually guaranteed - and much needed - point for the McLaren team.



1. Didier Pironi - Ferrari (Goodyear) 1hr 50:15.324
2. Alessandro Nannini - Arrows-Alfa Romeo (Goodyear) +02:38.870
3. Manfred Winkelhock - BMW (Pirelli) +03:24.161
4. René Arnoux - Lotus-Renault (Pirelli) +04:17.361
5. Derek Daly - RAM-Hart (Pirelli) +06:11.716
Ret. Nelson Piquet - McLaren-Honda (Goodyear) - Accident
Ret. Ricardo Patrese - Minardi-Ferrari (Pirelli) - Wheel
Ret. Andrea de Cesaris - Minardi-Ferrari (Pirelli) - Exhaust
Ret. Philippe Streiff - Ligier-Renault (Pirelli) - Suspension
Ret. Thierry Boutsen - Toleman-Hart (Goodyear) - Turbo
Ret. Alan Jones - Toleman-Hart (Goodyear) - Engine
Ret. Pierluigi Martini - Osella Squadra Corse Alfa-Alfa Romeo (Pirelli) - Radiator
Ret. Teo Fabi - Osella Squadra Corse Alfa-Alfa Romeo (Pirelli) - Overheating
Ret. Keke Rosberg - Arrows-Alfa Romeo (Goodyear) - Engine
Ret. Stefan Johansson - BMW (Pirelli) - Turbo
Ret. Ayrton Senna - Williams-BMW (Goodyear) - Spun-off
Ret. Jean-Pierre Jarier - Tyrrell-BMW (Goodyear) - Throttle
Ret. Derek Warwick - Tyrrell-BMW (Goodyear) - Turbo
Ret. Michele Alboreto - Ferrari (Goodyear) - Turbo
Ret. Alain Prost - Ferrari (Goodyear) - Turbo
Ret. Elio de Angelis - Lotus-Renault (Pirelli) - Turbo
Ret. Nigel Mansell - Brabham-Porsche (Goodyear) - Ignition
Ret. John Watson - Brabham-Porsche (Goodyear) - Turbo
Ret. Jacques Laffitte - McLaren-Honda (Goodyear) - Turbo
Ret. Steffan Bellof - Williams-BMW (Goodyear) - Spun-off
Ret. Eddie Cheever - Lola-Renault (Goodyear) - Turbo


Championship Standings:
Driver's Championship
1. Didier Pironi (44 points)
2. Ayrton Senna (39 points)
3. Alain Prost (39 points)
4. Michele Alboreto (38 points)
5. Steffan Bellof (19 points)
6. Alessandro Nannini (17 points)
7. Andrea de Cesaris (15 points)
8. Keke Rosberg (14 points)
9. Nigel Mansell (9 points)
10. Jean-Pierre Jarier (7 points)
11. Ricardo Patrese (6 points)
12. Jacques Laffitte (5 points)
13. Derek Warwick (5 points)
14. John Watson (4 points)
15. Manfred Winkelhock (4 point)
16. René Arnoux (4 point)
17. Stefan Johansson (3 points)
18. Derek Daly (2 points)
19. Alan Jones (1 point)
20. Elio de Angelis (1 point)


Constructor's Championship
1. Ferrari (121 points)
2. Williams (58 points)
3. Arrows (31 points)
4. Minardi (21 points)
5. Brabham (13 points)
6. Tyrrell (12 points)
7. BMW (7 points)
8. McLaren (5 points)
9. Lotus (5 points)
10. RAM (2 points)
11. Toleman (1 point)



There is 1* D&T opportunity before the next race *(2 for Williams).

Genuinely gutted that we went from two runners to none so late in the race, though Hockenheim was always going to be a challenge reliability-wise. Nah, the real inconvenience was Arrows picking up P2.

Next year's car please.

Next year's car here, and for every D&T opportunity for the season.

Tyrrell will use the D&T on next year's car

Spirit will spend the D&T credit on next year's car.

You know what happens, when you are late to sign up for a series? You know what?

FMJ

YOU JUST MADE THE LIST!

I'd like to be added to the waiting list please.

Next year's car for Lola

Blahblahblah. Nothing to celebrate at home. Congrats for RAM for the amazing result though!

Next year's car for Zakspeed.

Arrows will refrain from using any D&Ts until after the Italian GP at the earliest, to save money for 1986.

In other news, BMW and Manfred Winklehock have both unrejectified themselves at their (second) home grand prix, both never happening in real life. (unless you count this BMW and BMW Sauber as the same entity)

Williams will put 1 D&T to next years car

1 D&T for next years car and 1 for the Tires.

one grip thingy

TheFlyingCaterham wrote:1 D&T for next years car and 1 for the Tires.

After a (very) long streak of two-opportunities-per-race, we've only got the one, this time.

I'm assuming~ you'll want to go with next year's car, rather than tyre development. My assumption is based on the following metaphor: "Imagine you're on the Titanic, and there's only one lifeboat. Do you save all of your team, or a little bit of half the teams in the field?"

Next years car for Alfa Romeo

To not exhaust our funds, McLaren will not use its D&T for this race

BioBiro wrote:

TheFlyingCaterham wrote:1 D&T for next years car and 1 for the Tires.

After a (very) long streak of two-opportunities-per-race, we've only got the one, this time.

I'm assuming~ you'll want to go with next year's car, rather than tyre development. My assumption is based on the following metaphor: "Imagine you're on the Titanic, and there's only one lifeboat. Do you save all of your team, or a little bit of half the teams in the field?"

Oh, it's only one this time? I've been used to it being two for so long. But yeah, I'll go with the one for next year's car.

One on Next years car

D&T after Round 11
Is enjoying playing 'Root Double'.


Brabham

Ferrari

Tyrrell

Alfa Romeo

Williams

Osella Squadra Corse Alfa

Toleman

Spirit

Ligier

Minardi

Zakspeed

Lola

Round 12 - Italian Grand Prix, Monza, 8th September 1985

Qualifying Results:
With a 25 km/h straight-line speed advantage - and a season's worth of steady development - the Minardi's looked quicker than ever in practice, and sure enough, would take their first pole position. Patrese, while still quick, could not match de Cesaris' pace, for reasons unclear.

The Arrows cars put in another strong performance - rapidly becoming one of the teams to watch, on fast circuits - qualifying third and fifth. Warwick made good use of his BMW engine to out-qualify two of the Ferraris, while Winkelhock in the first of the works cars lined-up just behind them.

The RAM team's momentum seemed to help Daly, who qualified a steady nineteenth, despite being joint second-slowest - with Streiff's Ligier - through the speed trap. Meanwhile, further back, McLaren teammates Laffite and Piquet straddled the DNQ-line.



1. Andrea de Cesaris - Minardi-Ferrari (Pirelli) 01:26.124 (Trap: 300 km/h)
2. Didier Pironi - Ferrari (Goodyear) +0.569 (Trap: 273 km/h)
3. Alessandro Nannini - Arrows-Alfa Romeo (Goodyear) +0.812 (Trap: 268 km/h)
4. Steffan Bellof - Williams-BMW (Goodyear) +0.965 (Trap: 274 km/h)
5. Keke Rosberg - Arrows-Alfa Romeo (Goodyear) +01.243 (Trap: 269 km/h)
6. Ricardo Patrese - Minardi-Ferrari (Pirelli) +01.250 (Trap: 300 km/h)
7. Derek Warwick - Tyrrell-BMW (Goodyear) +01.775 (Trap: 273 km/h)
8. Michele Alboreto - Ferrari (Goodyear) +01.966 (Trap: 275 km/h)
9. Alain Prost - Ferrari (Goodyear) +02.606 (Trap: 277 km/h)
10. Manfred Winkelhock - BMW (Pirelli) +03.220 (Trap: 270 km/h)
11. Ayrton Senna - Williams-BMW (Goodyear) +03.418 (Trap: 273 km/h)
12. Elio de Angelis - Lotus-Renault (Pirelli) +03.526 (Trap: 265 km/h)
13. Pierluigi Martini - Osella Squadra Corse Alfa-Alfa Romeo (Pirelli) +03.744 (Trap: 269 km/h)
14. René Arnoux - Lotus-Renault (Pirelli) +03.790 (Trap: 260 km/h)
15. Eddie Cheever - Lola-Renault (Goodyear) +04.402 (Trap: 260 km/h)
16. John Watson - Brabham-Porsche (Goodyear) +04.549 (Trap: 265 km/h)
17. Nigel Mansell - Brabham-Porsche (Goodyear) +05.189 (Trap: 265 km/h)
18. Thierry Boutsen - Toleman-Hart (Goodyear) +05.259 (Trap: 261 km/h)
19. Derek Daly - RAM-Hart (Pirelli) +05.502 (Trap: 259 km/h)
20. Stefan Johansson - BMW (Pirelli) +05.553 (Trap: 270 km/h)
21. Desiré Wilson - Alfa Romeo (Goodyear) +05.611 (Trap: 267 km/h)
22. Teo Fabi - Osella Squadra Corse Alfa-Alfa Romeo (Pirelli) +05.949 (Trap: 268 km/h)
23. Patrick Tambay - Alfa Romeo (Goodyear) +05.962 (Trap: 261 km/h)
24. Jean-Pierre Jarier - Tyrrell-BMW (Goodyear) +06.154 (Trap: 269 km/h)
25. Corrado Fabi - Spirit-Hart (Pirelli) +06.275 (Trap: 252 km/h)
26. Jacques Laffitte - McLaren-Honda (Goodyear) +06.570 (Trap: 263 km/h)
DNQ. Nelson Piquet - McLaren-Honda (Goodyear) +06.889 (Trap: 267 km/h)
DNQ. Alan Jones - Toleman-Hart (Goodyear) +07.944 (Trap: 260 km/h)
DNQ. Christian Danner - Zakspeed (Pirelli) +7.964 (Trap: 267 km/h)
DNQ. Philippe Streiff - Ligier-Renault (Pirelli) +8.674 (Trap: 259 km/h)
DNQ. Alain Ferté - Ligier-Renault (Pirelli) +8.985 (Trap: 256 km/h)

Race Results:
Patrese moved-up to fourth by the end of the first lap, but retired quickly with a blown engine. De Cesaris would expire from the lead soon after, although his momentum carried him all the way from the Parabolica down to the Rettifilo chicane - fogging up half the track in the process due to his turbo - which caused Fabi's Spirit to spin-off.

Although Pironi qualified well, he would not score at this race; instead, Prost inherited position-after-position as others broke down. But, Ferrari's inability to pick which one of their drivers they want to win the championship kept Williams' Senna in with a chance, thanks to his podium finish.

The real victors were surely the BMW team. After the success of Germany, Johansson and Winkelhock brought home a total of nine points for the constructor. Johansson's leap had come mostly from copying Prost's single-stop strategy and caring for his tyres; at around two-thirds race distance, the pair seemed to mysteriously leapfrog the standings.

Finishing seventh, Desiré Wilson drove hard and carefully, and would have taken a well-deserved point after a difficult season so far, had one more car dropped-out ahead.



1. Alain Prost - Ferrari (Goodyear) 1hr 36:53.471
2. Stefan Johansson - BMW (Pirelli) +01:37.840
3. Ayrton Senna - Williams-BMW (Goodyear) +01:48.154
4. Manfred Winkelhock - BMW (Pirelli) +02:13.980
5. Nigel Mansell - Brabham-Porsche (Goodyear) +02:55.787
6. Steffan Bellof - Williams-BMW (Goodyear) +03:19.998
7. Desiré Wilson - Alfa Romeo (Goodyear) +04:25.637
8. John Watson - Brabham-Porsche (Goodyear) +04:38.742
9. Keke Rosberg - Arrows-Alfa Romeo (Goodyear) +05:00.790
10. Derek Daly - RAM-Hart (Pirelli) +05:07.423
11. Eddie Cheever - Lola-Renault (Goodyear) +07:47.541
Ret. Patrick Tambay - Alfa Romeo (Goodyear) - Engine
Ret. Derek Warwick - Tyrrell-BMW (Goodyear) - Engine
Ret. Didier Pironi - Ferrari (Goodyear) - Turbo
Ret. Michele Alboreto - Ferrari (Goodyear) - Overheating
Ret. René Arnoux - Lotus-Renault (Pirelli) - Wheel
Ret. Elio de Angelis - Lotus-Renault (Pirelli) - Engine
Ret. Alessandro Nannini - Arrows-Alfa Romeo (Goodyear) - Driveshaft
Ret. Teo Fabi - Osella Squadra Corse Alfa-Alfa Romeo (Pirelli) - Brakes
Ret. Pierluigi Martini - Osella Squadra Corse Alfa-Alfa Romeo (Pirelli) - Distributor
Ret. Thierry Boutsen - Toleman-Hart (Goodyear) - Steering
Ret. Corrado Fabi - Spirit-Hart (Pirelli) - Spun-off
Ret. Andrea de Cesaris - Minardi-Ferrari (Pirelli) - Turbo
Ret. Ricardo Patrese - Minardi-Ferrari (Pirelli) - Turbo
Ret. Jean-Pierre Jarier - Tyrrell-BMW (Goodyear) - Turbo
Ret. Jacques Laffitte - McLaren-Honda (Goodyear) - Engine


Championship Standings:
Driver's Championship
1. Alain Prost (48 points)
2. Didier Pironi (44 points)
3. Ayrton Senna (43 points)
4. Michele Alboreto (38 points)
5. Steffan Bellof (20 points)
6. Alessandro Nannini (17 points)
7. Andrea de Cesaris (15 points)
8. Keke Rosberg (14 points)
9. Nigel Mansell (11 points)
10. Stefan Johansson (9 points)
11. Jean-Pierre Jarier (7 points)
12. Manfred Winkelhock (7 point)
13. Ricardo Patrese (6 points)
14. Jacques Laffitte (5 points)
15. Derek Warwick (5 points)
16. John Watson (4 points)
17. René Arnoux (4 point)
18. Derek Daly (2 points)
19. Alan Jones (1 point)
20. Elio de Angelis (1 point)


Constructor's Championship
1. Ferrari (130 points)
2. Williams (63 points)
3. Arrows (31 points)
4. Minardi (21 points)
5. BMW (16 points)
6. Brabham (15 points)
7. Tyrrell (12 points)
8. McLaren (5 points)
9. Lotus (5 points)
10. RAM (2 points)
11. Toleman (1 point)



There are 2* D&T opportunities before the next race *(4 for Williams, 3 for Ferrari, 1 for Minardi).

FOCA TV Money Distribution - Third Quarter
Please enjoy your penultimate payment of TV money.

Ferrari have been credited £2,160,000
Williams have been credited £1,460,000
Brabham have been credited £1,160,000
Minardi have been credited £1,110,000
BMW have been credited £1,100,000
Arrows have been credited £1,090,000
Lotus have been credited £1,020,000
Osella Squadra Corse Alfa have been credited £930,000
Tyrrell have been credited £890,000
McLaren have been credited £730,000
Alfa Romeo have been credited £690,000
Toleman have been credited £630,000
RAM have been credited £470,000
Spirit have been credited £310,000
Ligier have been credited £300,000
Lola have been credited £180,000
Zakspeed have been credited £0

Arrows will spend one D&T on the 1986 car, and then wait until the final set of FOCA payments before using any more opportunities to avoid going bankrupt. It's a pity that our qualifying pace didn't really amount to anything in the race, but Minardi's double-DNF means we really dodged a bullet here in terms of keeping third in the WCC.

Both on Next years car

Lola will use both D&T's on next year's car.

Williams will be passing up this D&T oppertunity in favour of team training

Great race for us, we'll put 2 D&Ts into next years car

BioBiro wrote:Zakspeed have been credited £0

Both DT int onext year's car, we will come back stronger then!

Qualifying for Monza despite the lowest straightline speed is surprising, but I'll take it! We'll spend both tokens on next year's car, as we prepare to save for next season.

Tyrrell will use both D&Ts on next year's car

Next year's car all of em'

1 D&T on Next Year's car and the other on tires.

both on next years car

V8fan12 wrote:Tyrrell will use both D&Ts on next year's car

It's a lonely road, isn't it - being the Tyrrell team? Nothing ever happens to you; you just show up at every race, do your job, and prepare for next year.

Collieafc wrote:Williams will be passing up this D&T oppertunity in favour of team training

I assume this is a euphemism for a corporate retreat to the sauna, or opium den, or something...

Dexter249 wrote:Next year's car all of em'

No worries - since the last race I've set the Toleman team to "All next year's car, without going bankrupt". Anyone else is also free to 'schedule-ahead' their D&T opportunities, if they wish.

CarloSpace wrote:

Now I feel bad~...