Grand Prix Rejects

Welcome back everyone! Alan Jones and Williams won the 1981 championship for the second year in a row - can they make it three in 1982? We shall see!

Everything is like before: I will be running this game on my self-constructed excel spreadsheet(s)and the further we go into the alternative future, the more random this universe will get. Here is the 1981 thread to refresh your memories: https://gprejects.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=8727

WIKI: https://formularejects.com/wiki/1982_CarloSpace_F1_season

1982 TEAMS & PARTICIPANTS
Williams - Aislabie
Tyrrell - Ataxia
Brabham - Gertrand Bachot
McLaren - takagi_for_the_win
Lotus - Shawn040217
Renault - Bleu
March - TCBY
Fittipaldi - Frogfoot9013
Alfa Romeo - Dom_Wings
Toleman - Iso Masa
Ligier - Butterfox
Ferrari - Kinnikuniverse
Arrows - Spooder918
Osella - Pilot
Ensign - Hermann95
ATS - (single car team) pi314159
Theodore (single car team) Collieafc

Waiting list:
_gg_


SEASON STRUCTURE
Pick teams
Sign engine & tyre suppliers
Sign drivers
--- Season start ---
First R&D period
--- Races 1-3 ---
Second R&D period
--- Races 4-8 ---
Third R&D period
--- Races 9-12 ---
Next season chassis R&D period
--- Races 13-16 ---
--- Season end ---
--- Prize money is paid out ---


CONTRACTS
A season begins with signing of engine & tyre suppliers. The listed supplier prices are minimum asking prices but teams can of course offer more money to a supplier. Teams can attempt to sign suppliers for 1-3 years long contracts. The price of engine/tyres will remain the same for the duration of the contract even if the manufacturer changes the price in the upcoming seasons.

Driver signing works largely the same way. Drivers can be signed to 1-3 years long contracts. Drivers' salaries aren't fixed but instead have expected salaries that they are asking from their future employers. Teams can offer lower salaries than the drivers are expecting but doing so will make the driver more likely to refuse the offer. Conversely a higher than expected salary will make the driver more likely to sign.

Pay drivers (listed with negative salaries) can only be signed to max. 1-year contracts. The negative salary next to their name implies the maximum amount they can pay for their seat per race.

The prices and salaries of multi-year contracts are paid yearly, not in one lump sum.

All the available suppliers, drivers and their respective prices/salaries are listed IN THIS SPREADSHEET.

The driver list contains only the most notable drivers but you are able to offer a contract to drivers also not on the list.

LOAN DEALS
Teams are allowed to sign more than two drivers to their team on the condition that the drivers are loaned out to other teams and land a racing seat for the season. Failure to land a racing seat will release a driver from their contract.

A team wishing to sign extra drivers to be loaned out must bid for them during driver bidding process separately from their main drivers' bids.

• Extra drivers must be offered a salary greater than 0cr even if they were a pay-driver.
• Offered contract length can be 1-3 years.
• Loan team must be included in the bid.
• The length of a loan deal is always a maximum of 1 season.
• No extra monetary compensation between the two teams is allowed.

A team wishing to loan a driver from another team must bid for them during driver bidding process regularly among their other driver bids.

• Loan drivers don't have to be offered salary since the owning team pays for their salary.
• If the loaned driver is a pay-driver, the loaning team will receive a portion of their salary as a compensation. A portion of the driver's salary up to the amount they would bring as a pay-driver will go to the loaning team.
  - E.g. Team A signs pay-driver A. Stooge for a salary of 400cr and loans them to Team B. As a pay-driver A. Stooge would be able to bring Team B 20cr/race. Team B will receive 20cr x 16 races = 320cr as a compensation for the loan deal. Rest of the salary is kept by A.Stooge
• The owning team of the driver must be included in the bid.
• The length of a loan deal is always a maximum of 1 season.
• No extra monetary compensation between the two teams is allowed.

The team bidding for extra drivers must co-operate with the team they intend to loan the driver to. Both teams will have to indicate in their bids that the driver is to be loaned from/to another team.




MID-SEASON R&D
There are three R&D periods during the season on which the teams can develop their chassis. A single period is 4-5 races long after which potential upgrades are installed to the chassis.

Before each R&D period the teams have to commit to developing their chassis by choosing their level of investment. Higher levels increase the chance for greater performance gain.
The levels and their prices are:
No R&D - 0 cr
Low - 250 cr
Moderate - 500 cr
High - 750 cr
All-in - 1000 cr


NEW CHASSIS R&D
Last R&D period of the season is reserved for development of next season’s chassis. Each team can spend between 2500-5000cr on R&D for a new chassis. Alternatively teams can develop an evolution of their previous chassis for prices between 1500-2500cr (smaller performance gain) or decide to race for another year with the same chassis (not recommended unless your team is on the brink of bankruptcy).

For single car teams these figures are: 2000-4000cr for new chassis, 1200-2000cr for chassis evolution. A single car team can expand to two cars for a one time cost of 1500cr.


DEBT AND BANKRUPTCY
Teams can go into debt during and in between seasons.

A team will be declared bankrupt if it is in debt at the end of a season for two years in a row.


BUDGETS, DRIVERS AND OTHER IMPORTANT STUFF

All the important information about teams will be found
IN THIS SPREADSHEET

TYRE & ENGINE SUPPLIER BIDDING
Let's sign some tyres and engines!

Each team is expected to sign one supplier for both tyres and engines. Ferrari, Renault and Alfa Romeo don't have to bother with engine bids. Driver bidding process will begin after the suppliers have been signed.

Your budgets, existing contracts and all the available suppliers and their respective prices are listed IN THIS SPREADSHEET.

Please use the template below when bidding for suppliers. Please remember to include offered contract length (1-3 years) and price (has to meet the minimum price, will stay the same for the duration of the contract) for each supplier.

Team: Brabham
Engine 1: Ford Cosseh, 3200, 1 year
Tyres 1: Pirelli, 600, 1 year
Tyres 2: Michelin, 600, 1 year

Team: March

Engine 1: Hart (2yrs, 3350)
Engine 2: Ford (1yr, 3200)

Tyres 1: Pirelli (650, 2yrs)
Tyres 2: Michelin (600, 1yr)

Team: ATS

Engine: Ford Cosworth (3200)

Tyre 1: Pirelli (600)
Tyre 2: Michelin (600)

Team: Tyrrell Racing Organisation

Engine: Ford Cosworth (3200)

that was exhausting, I need a rest after all that bidding...

Team: Williams

Engine 1: Cozzer

Tyres 1: Goodyear
Tyres 2: Michelin

Team: Ligier
Engine 1: Matra
Engine 2: Ford
Engine 3: Alfa-Romeo
Tyres 1: running contract with Michelin

Team: Ensign

Engine: Ford (3200, 1 year)
Tyres 1: Pirelli (600, 1 year)
Tyres 2: Michelin (600, year)

Further we would like to announce that we'll expand to a two car operation

Team: Team Lotus

Engine Bids :
1) Ford Cosworth (£3200)

Tyre Bids :
1) Michelin (£615, 1 year)
2) Goodyear (£615, 1 year)

Team: Osella
Engine 1: Ford, 3200, 1yr

Tires 1: Pirelli, 610, 1yr
Tires 2: Michelin, 600, 1yr

Put me on the waiting list, pls

_gg_ wrote:Put me on the waiting list, pls

Sure thing!

Hermann95 wrote:Further we would like to announce that we'll expand to a two car operation

Copy that! Your second car is considered a new entry and will thus take part in the pre-qualifying for the first 8 rounds of the season.

Your new entry will have the number #13 assigned to them.

Team: Theodore

Engine 1: Ford, 3200, 1 year

Tyres 1: Mitchelin, 600 2 years
Tyres 2: Pirelli, 600 1 year,

Team: McLaren

Engine: Cosworth (3200, 1 year)

Tyre 1: Michelin (600, 1 year)
Tyre 2: Avon (850, 1 year)

Team: ORANJE Fittipaldi
Owner: me

Engine: Cosworth
Tyres: Pirelli

Team: Arrows

Engine 1: Matra, 3500, 2 years
Engine 2: Ford, 3200, 2 years
Engine 3: Alfa Romeo, 4200, 2 years
Tyres 1: Pirelli, 600, 3 years
Tyres 2: Avon, 700, 1 year
Tyres 3: Michelin, 3 years

Team: Alfa Romeo

Tyres 1: Pirelli, 600, 1 year

ENGINES RNG

Renault, Alfa Romeo, Toleman and Ferrari have existing contracts.

MATRA
Matra is prepared to supply two teams. March were not interested to continue their affiliation but Arrows are interested in the French manufacturer's engines - as is Ligier to the surprise of no one.

Matra accepts both offers.


HART
Brian Hart's workshop in prepared to supply only one team and have an existing contract with Toleman. March Engineering has come knocking on their door however and want Hart engines.

1-70 Sorry but we simply don't have capacity to supply two teams at the moment
71-100 I guess we'll hire a couple more people to the assembly line

95! Brian Hart jumps at the opportunity to expand his engine business.

FORD
As the de facto engine supplier, Ford has an unlimited supply of the engine.

All other teams sign with Ford on one year deals.

BMW
BMW has announced they will be joining the sport as an engine manufacturer in 1983.


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TYRES RNG

PIRELLI

Arguably the worst tyre of 1981, Pirelli, has done something right when marketing their tyres. A total of 8 teams are looking for a deal with the Italian firm. However, Pirelli is only prepared to supply 4 teams in 1982 as they concentrate on developing their tyres. They already have a running contract with Lotus so they have three places up for grabs. Lotus however have proposed a deal to Michelin which has severed their relationship with Pirelli.

1-70 - It was a mistake, everything continues as normal
71-95 - The contract has to be respected but don't expect Pirelli tyres in the future
96-100 - Consider the contract breached

2! - Pirelli let's it slide and is looking forward to a long and succesful tenure with Lotus. This leaves Pirelli with three open slots.

1-35 Brabham
36-60 Alfa Romeo
61-75 Arrows
76-80 Ensign
81-85 Fittipaldi
86-90 Osella
91-95 ATS
96-100 March

27, 75, 57! - Brabham, Arrows and Alfa Romeo land Pirelli deals.


MICHELIN

Michelin is prepared to supply 16 teams. Rest of the teams are looking for Michelins and sign with them.


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Your budgets and contracts have been updated IN THIS SPREADSHEET.

Driver bidding will begin shortly with another post.

DRIVER BIDDING
We have our chassis, engine and tyres. All we need now are drivers!

As ever, your budgets and the drivers and their respective expected salaries are listed IN THIS SPREADSHEET.

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Drivers can be signed to 1-3 years long contracts. Drivers' salaries aren't fixed but instead have expected salaries that they are asking from their future employers. Teams can offer lower salaries than the drivers are expecting but that will make the driver more likely to refuse the offer. Conversely a higher than expected salary will make the driver more likely to sign.

Pay drivers (listed with negative salaries) can only be signed to max. 1-year contracts. The negative salary next to their name indicates the maximum amount they can pay for their seat per race.

The driver list contains only the most notable drivers but you are able to offer a contract to drivers also not on the list.

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Please use the template below when bidding for drivers. Please remember to include offered contract length (1-3 years) and salary (will stay the same for the duration of the contract) for each driver. You are allowed to bid for max. 5 drivers per seat at this moment.




Due to popular demand we also introduce....

LOAN DEALS
Teams are allowed to sign more than two drivers to their team on the condition that the drivers are loaned out to other teams and land a racing seat for the season. Failure to land a racing seat will release a driver from their contract.

A team wishing to sign extra drivers to be loaned out must bid for them during driver bidding process separately from their main drivers' bids.

• Extra drivers must be offered a salary greater than 0cr even if they were a pay-driver.
• Offered contract length can be 1-3 years.
• Loan team must be included in the bid.
• The length of a loan deal is always a maximum of 1 season.
• No extra monetary compensation between the two teams is allowed.

A team wishing to loan a driver from another team must bid for them during driver bidding process regularly among their other driver bids.

• Loan drivers don't have to be offered salary since the owning team pays for their salary.
• If the loaned driver is a pay-driver, the loaning team will receive a portion of their salary as a compensation. A portion of the driver's salary up to the amount they would bring as a pay-driver will go to the loaning team.
  - E.g. Team A signs pay-driver A. Stooge for a salary of 400cr and loans them to Team B. As a pay-driver A. Stooge would be able to bring Team B 20cr/race. Team B will receive 20cr x 16 races = 320cr as a compensation for the loan deal. Rest of the salary is kept by A.Stooge
• The owning team of the driver must be included in the bid.
• The length of a loan deal is always a maximum of 1 season.
• No extra monetary compensation between the two teams is allowed.

The team bidding for extra drivers must co-operate with the team they intend to loan the driver to. Both teams will have to indicate in their bids that the driver is to be loaned from/to another team.

Please add the following template to your bid if you wish to sign extra drivers to your team.

Team: ATS
DRIVER 1
Bid 1: Piercarlo Ghinzani, 1 year, paying 70 per race
Bid 2: Hector Rebaque, 1 year, paying 60 per race
Bid 3: Miguel Angel Guerra, 1 year, paying 80 per race
Bid 4: Raul Boesel, 1 year, paying 60 per race
Bid 5: Chico Serra, 1 year, paying 60 per race

Team: Tyrrell

Driver 2 bids:
Andrea de Cesaris, 1 year, -20/race
Stefan Johansson, 1 year, 350cr
Thierry Boutsen, 1 year, 100cr
Derek Warwick, 1 year, 500cr

Renault driver 2

Marc Surer, 1500, 1 year
Rene Arnoux, 1500, 1 year
Bruno Giacomelli, 1000, 1 year

Before placing bids, what was Theodores budget before prize money at the end of 81? Just so as not to overspend (I couldn’t see a link to the previous years spreadsheet)

Collieafc wrote:Before placing bids, what was Theodores budget before prize money at the end of 81? Just so as not to overspend (I couldn’t see a link to the previous years spreadsheet)

I'll add the info to the sheet tomorrow morning when I get access to the data.

Team: Arrows

DRIVER 1
Bid 1: Rene Arnoux, 2900
Bid 2: Jochen Mass, 1000
Bid 3: Jacky Ickx, 1900
Bid 4: Brian Henton, 500
Bid 5: Thierry Boutsen, 0
DRIVER 2
Bid 1: Andrea de Cesaris, -20 per race
Bid 2: Roberto Moreno, -30 per race
Bid 3: Siegfried Stohr, -20 per race
Bid 4: Tommy Byrne, -40 per race
Bid 5: Alex Ribeiro, -50 per race

Williams

DRIVER 1
1. Alan Jones (7,000, 1 year)
2. Keke Rosberg (3,000 cr, 1 year)

DRIVER 2
1. Elio de Angelis (contracted)

YOUNG DRIVERS
1. Teo Fabi (continuing at Osella, same terms)
2. Mike Thackwell (continuing at March, same terms)

Max two of the following:
3. Thierry Boutsen (100 cr; available to all other teams for -100 cr; 3 years)
4. Corrado Fabi (available to Osella only, same terms as Teo; 3 years)
5. Stefan Bellof (100 cr; available to all other teams for -100 cr; 3 years)

Eliseo Salazar will be released from the Williams Young Driver Program, but we congratulate him for his efforts with ATS.

Aislabie wrote:Max two of the following:
3. Thierry Boutsen (100 cr; available to all other teams for -100 cr; 3 years)
4. Corrado Fabi (available to Osella only, same terms as Teo; 3 years)
5. Stefan Bellof (100 cr; available to all other teams for -100 cr; 3 years)

The governing body would like to remind that:

• The length of a loan deal is always a maximum of 1 season.
• No extra monetary compensation between the two teams is allowed.

Thus,
Boutsen, if signed, will not provide financial backing to his team and can only be loaned out on a 1-year contract.
C. Fabi can only be loaned out on a 1-year contract.
Bellof is not on the driver shortlist and requires separate RNG to determine his pay-driver status.

1-90 He and his backers don't feel ready for F1
91-100 We'll scrape something together fro Stefan
44!

Bellof, if signed, will not provide financial backing to his team and can only be loaned out on a 1-year contract.

Note that these drivers have not joined Williams YDP yet as they are still subject to RNG.

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Also, Keke Rosberg is under contract with Lotus so I recommend speaking with Shawn if you'd like improve your chances of signing him.

Osella:
Driver 1: Teo Fabi (W YDP)

Driver 2: C. Fabi (W YDP)
Driver 2: Andrea de Cesaris
Driver 3: Piercarlo Ghinzani
Driver 4: Riccardo Paletti

Team: Alfa Romeo

DRIVER 2
Bid 1: Andrea de Cesaris, -20cr per race
Bid 2: Bruno Giacomelli, 1200cr
Bid 3: Mauro Baldi, -30cr per race
Bid 4: Hector Rebaque, -60cr per race
Bid 5: Piercarlo Ghinzani, -70cr per race

Team: Ensign
DRIVER 1 (name, salary, contract length)
Bid 1: Stefan Johansson, 300, 1 year
Bid 2: Thierry Boutsen, 0, 1 year
Bid 3: Jean-Pierre Jarier, 600, 1 year
Bid 4: Derek Warwick, 500, 1 year
Bid 5: Andrea de Cesaris, pay 20 per race, 1 year
DRIVER 2
Bid 1: Miguel Angel Guerra, pay 80 per race, 1 year
Bid 2: Piercarlo Ghinzani, pay 70 per race, 1 year
Bid 3: Ricardo Londoño, pay 70 per race, 1 year
Bid 4: Héctor Rebaque, pay 60 per race, 1 year
Bid 5: Chico Serra, pay 60 per race, 1 year

CarloSpace wrote:The governing body would like to remind that:

• The length of a loan deal is always a maximum of 1 season.
• No extra monetary compensation between the two teams is allowed.

Also, Keke Rosberg is under contract with Lotus so I recommend speaking with Shawn if you'd like improve your chances of signing him.

Yep, the "3 years" referred to how long I wanted to keep them in the YDP, not how long I might want to farm them out on loan

I had forgotten about the no extra monies

And I saw he was under contract, but it's fun to throw potshots around

Team: Theodore
DRIVER 1 (name, salary, contract length)
Bid 1: Rene Arnoux, 1900, 1 year
Bid 2: Andrea de Cesaris, pay 20 per race, 1 year
Bid 3: Stefan Johannson, 350, 1 year
Bid 4: Jean-Pierre Jarier, 500, 1 year
Bid 5: Derek Warwick, 500, 1 year

We are waiting for March, Fittipaldi and Ferrari to announce their plans for 1982. I will give you until Monday 20:00 EEST to make your bids.

In other news, Iso Masa seems to have gone AWOL so I give you _gg_ the chance to take over Toleman. They are in grim state financially at the moment but I feel like the drivers - especially Cheever wouldn't mind if his contract was terminated and he could head back to the states to do some Indycar or something.

Team: ORANJE Fittipaldi
DRIVER 1
Bid 1: Huub Rothengatter (pay-driver)
Bid 2: Jan Lammers (pay-driver)
DRIVER 2
Bid 1: Michael Bleekemolen (pay-driver)
Bid 2: Arie Luijendijk (pay-driver)

Team: March Engineering
Driver 1:
Bid 1: Rene Arnoux (2550cr, 2yrs)
Bid 1: Marc Surer (2500cr, 1yr)
Bid 2: Bruno Giacomelli (2010cr, 2yrs)

Driver 2:
Bid 1: Mike Thackwell (N/A, 1yr, loaned from Williams YDP)
Bid 2: Roberto Moreno (PD (full amount), 1yr)

Ferrari will continue with their existing contracts.

Kinnikuniverse wrote:Ferrari will continue with their existing contracts.

Sorry for bothering you, I somehow had missed that Ferrari actually had running contracts already

DRIVER BIDS

Two-time champion Alan Jones has an offer to chase third title with Williams.

1-90 One more year!
91-100 Time to call it a day
58!

Jones will drive the #1 car again for Williams.

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Teo Fabi is part of Williams YDP and has a chance to drive for Osella.

1-99 Yes, Mr. Williams
100 This YDP thing is not for me
68!

Teo is not 100% convinced by William's YDP prospects but at the moment it's his only chance in F1.

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Frank Williams is looking for fresh young guns to join his YDP stable and wishes to unite the Fabi brothers at Osella.

1-75 Joins the YDP program and drives for Osella in 1981
76-100 Another season in F2 is better for my development
68!

Corrado takes some convincing from his brother Teo but signs in the end.

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Mike Thackwell is part of Williams YDP and has a chance to drive for March.

1-99 Yes, Mr. Williams
100 This YDP thing is not for me
76!

March might not be the best car on the grid but a drive is a drive.

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Marc Surer had an amazing breakout season with Renault in 1981 but they are lowballing his wage demands.

1-65 Okay, maybe my wage demand was a bit high
66-85 No! I know my value and March has the money
86-100 Sportscars were my true passion all along
36!

Surer does the sensible thing and signs with Renault on a one year contract.

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René Arnoux was left without a seat for 1981 but is in high demand after a year out. No one is matching his asking price but Arrows is coming close and has the best package now that Renault isn't interested anymore.

1-70 Arrows
71-83 Sportscars
84-96 March
97-100 Theodore
74!

Arnoux says thanks but no thanks and decides to keep trundling around in sportscars and wait for some proper offers that match his valuation.

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Andrea de Cesaris had a decent season with Alfa Romeo in 1981 and he has the money to back as well. All the midfield teams are after him.

1-32 Tyrrell
33-64 Alfa Romeo
65-92 Arrows
93-98 Theodore
99-100 Ensign
19!

De Cesaris wishes for a change of scenery and a chance to learn from Carlos Reutemann. He signs with Ken Tyrrell.

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The 1978 European F2 champion Bruno Giacomelli had a quiet season in 1981 with Theodore. He has two offers on the table: 1-year deal with Alfa Romeo or a 2-year deal with a thick pay-cheque with March.

1-50 Alfa is the better car...
51-100 but I like money more
51!

Giacomelli thinks long but can't turn down the money March is offering.

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Stefan Johansson single-handedly carried Ensign high in the constructors' championship in 1981. As a result, Ensign are wishing to extend the Swede's contract but Theodore are offering slightly more money.

1-70 I'm content here and believe in this project
71-100 I've always wanted to visit Hong Kong
41!

Johansson will continue with Ensign and this season he will have a team-mate.

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Alfa Romeo has had grim luck so far. The reigning European F3 champion Mauro Baldi is next on their shortlist.

1-95 Of course he signs
96-100 A season of F2 would be best for me
8!

No hesitation there.

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Ensign are expanding to two cars and are looking a driver to finance the expansion. Miguel Ángel Guerra is their first choice but ATS are also keen on signing the Argentine driver, pending other drivers' decisions.

1-80 Ensign
81-100 ATS
24!

Guerra completes Ensign's line-up.

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Ghinzani is ATS's first choice.

1-90 The Germans get rich
91-100 Not interested in pre-qualifying
81!

Ghinzani is not too eager but realizes this might be his only chance to show his skills.

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Jean-Pierre Jarier got the odd drive last season at Arrows and has a full-time offer from Theodore now.

1-60 It's a challenge but a welcome one!
61-100 Next time, please respect my asking salary
29!

Jarier joins Theodore.

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Jochen Mass is a dependable midfield driver and has an offer to speadhead the Arrows team this season.

1-80 JA!
81-100 Sportscars are cool
91!

Mass feels finished with F1 and sticks with sportscars

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Jacky Ickx is a dependable midfield driver as well and has an offer to speadhead the Arrows team this season.

1-80 Oui or somehing
81-100 Sportscars are cool, didn't you listen to Jochen?
86!

The veterans clearly like their sportscar careers

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Brian Henton drove for Arrows last season and is next of their list.

1-80 Yes!
81-100 Why didn't you call me earlier, I have standards as well.
54!

Brian Henton signs a 1-year extension with Arrows.

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Arrows has to fill their second seat as well. Former Formula Ford Festival winner Roberto Moreno is high on their list.

1-50 F1 here we come
51-100 I don't feel ready for full-time F1 seat yet
53!

Moreno thinks about it but decides to stick to F3 for now

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Siegfried Stohr scored 60% of Arrows' points in 1981. He is offered a one-year extension.

1-90 Signs
91-100 Not interested
45!

Stohr completes Arrows line-up.

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This leaves us with Oranje Fittipaldi. They offer one-year contracts for Rothengatter and Bleekemolen.

1-90 Signs
91-100 Not interested
84 & 42!

Rothengatter thinks about starting a tulip business but decides to continue. Bleekemolen signs as well.

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