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Reject of the Race - Belgium 2021 (POLL UP)
Posted: 29 Aug 2021, 16:43
by Londoner
1. Race Control/FIA. Four hours of utter chaos, miscommunication, and a rulebook seemingly being rewritten on the fly. Liberty Media will get involved after this debacle in some way, mark my words.
2. Michael Masi. Time for him to go.
Re: Reject of the Race - Belgium 2021
Posted: 29 Aug 2021, 16:45
by Klon
Londoner wrote:1. Race Control/FIA. Four hours of utter chaos, miscommunication, and a rulebook seemingly being rewritten on the fly. Liberty Media will get involved after this debacle in some way, mark my words.
2. Michael Masi. Time for him to go.
I will agree with this, but only at 2. and 3. because the first place goes to
Pirelli. This wouldn't have happened if we had wet tyres that weren't complete trash.
Edit:
Christian Horner gets the dishonorable mention of a lifetime. WHY THE BATHPLUG ARE YOU THANKING MASI FOR THIS; WHAT KIND OF METH ARE YOU ON!?!?!?!?!
Re: Reject of the Race - Belgium 2021
Posted: 29 Aug 2021, 16:46
by Nessafox
Londoner wrote:1. Race Control/FIA. Four hours of utter chaos, miscommunication, and a rulebook seemingly being rewritten on the fly. Liberty Media will get involved after this debacle in some way, mark my words.
2. Michael Masi. Time for him to go.
I can honestly not have a different opinion than to second this, but dishonourable mentions for Sergio Perez and Pirelli rain tyres as well.
Re: Reject of the Race - Belgium 2021
Posted: 29 Aug 2021, 16:46
by ElBerto
I won't throw Michael under the bus here. It is a team effort.
FIA / FOM / Liberty for ROTR. bathplug them all.
Re: Reject of the Race - Belgium 2021
Posted: 29 Aug 2021, 16:47
by Fetzie
1. FIA falling for the sunk-cost-fallacy
2. Cars unable to be driven in rain (aero making bad visibility and tyres unable to disperse water fast enough)
DHM 1: us lot for sitting through that (see 1.)
DHM 2: Perez for crashing on the out lap
Re: Reject of the Race - Belgium 2021
Posted: 29 Aug 2021, 16:50
by went
1- The 2021 Rolex Belgium Grand Prix
2- Pérez, for binning a handful of totally free points
Re: Reject of the Race - Belgium 2021
Posted: 29 Aug 2021, 16:55
by Barbazza
What londoner said - a perfect summary.
Re: Reject of the Race - Belgium 2021
Posted: 29 Aug 2021, 16:56
by dr-baker
Re: Reject of the Race - Belgium 2021
Posted: 29 Aug 2021, 16:59
by Miguel98
1. The whole afternoon - Cars that can't race, massive confusion regarding rules, misscomunication and a massive sunk-cost fallacy. I hope the fans get their money back.
2. Sergio Pérez - Well
Re: Reject of the Race - Belgium 2021
Posted: 29 Aug 2021, 17:13
by Meatwad
So many possible nominations without a race... I could give it to race control for all the randomness (who knew the clock could be stopped?), the rain for ruining everything, Pérez for throwing away points... I'll just nominate the race itself.
Re: Reject of the Race - Belgium 2021
Posted: 29 Aug 2021, 17:13
by Alextrax52
Can’t argue with what Londoner said really. Bigger farce than USA 05 purely because even that race had some cars racing.
Go home FIA, FOM and Michael Masi and think about what you’ve done.
Also
Sergio Perez for crashing and losing Red Bull what turned out to be an extra 3 points.
Re: Reject of the Race - Belgium 2021
Posted: 29 Aug 2021, 17:38
by Francophone
Been a while since I was last here - been busy with life , work , etc ..
Guess it's the rain cloud which kept dumping water onto the circuit , never clearing up enough so we could actually have the cars racing safely . Checo also binning it under the recce lap also is pretty rejectful too.
Let's see what the organizers do about refunds , but if they don't do what Lewis suggested then their nomination trumps everything above.
Re: Reject of the Race - Belgium 2021
Posted: 29 Aug 2021, 17:38
by rachel1990
Londoner wrote:1. Race Control/FIA. Four hours of utter chaos, miscommunication, and a rulebook seemingly being rewritten on the fly. Liberty Media will get involved after this debacle in some way, mark my words.
2. Michael Masi. Time for him to go.
Agree with every word above
Re: Reject of the Race - Belgium 2021
Posted: 29 Aug 2021, 17:49
by Londoner
If this is the case, then I think the entire race has ROTR under lock and key.
Re: Reject of the Race - Belgium 2021
Posted: 29 Aug 2021, 17:51
by Enforcer
I'm not any of the following:
1) An FIA steward at any level.
2) A race engineer.
3) A Pirelli engineer.
4) A racing driver at any level.
So I'm going to assume that not running the race was correct, and it's not due to easily avoidable flaws or deficiencies with the tires (visibility seems to have been at least as big an issue), or the drivers not being brave enough to risk their lives for our entertainment, or incompetence by from Masi and is just a force majeure job.
However, I'm still nominating the FIA & Race Stewards for the farcical couple of SC laps they ran late on largely just to generate a result. If it's not safe for the race to go ahead, then it can't go ahead. No result. Nil points. What they did there is give points for qualifying (and not crashing on your way to the grid).
Re: Reject of the Race - Belgium 2021
Posted: 29 Aug 2021, 18:16
by James1978
Myself for thinking at the start of the programme "Oh great, rain, that should make it exciting"!
Re: Reject of the Race - Belgium 2021
Posted: 29 Aug 2021, 18:17
by Francophone
Seeing as there's no main thread I want to say that I'm not sure I fully agree with the shade being thrown at the stewards and Michael Masi.
Yes , they should probably have not strung everyone along as much as they did and have given more useful updates ("no action for next 30 mins , will re-evaluate at 1700 etc).
I think they also should have stopped the race clock sooner (so we have 2 hours of racing remaining - and also meaning that once it was obvious weather would not improve the race to be called off sooner)
They could have also had running more laps under the SC (at least 5-10) under the first attempt to try and get a dry line and possibly disperse some of the water from the track .
But asides from that I'm not sure what else they could have done with the mess of a rulebook they had , and given some . There needs to be a rewrite of several regulations though with all the confusion and mess going on , and scope for more flexibility to run races on Saturdays/Mondays if something like this is likely.
Like what happened at the Nurburgring last year constant rain and low cloud/mist really screwed and unlike then it was on Sunday as opposed to Friday so we lost the race as opposed to practice.
Also , the worst of the spray was through Eau Rouge/Radillon which has seen three of the most horrific accidents I've ever seen in the last three years , not counting Lando's yesterday.
A 1998-style pileup would also be very interesting in a cost-cap environment , I'd reckon Rosset would have needed deep pockets to pay for all the wreckage he caused slamming into it a full speed
Re: Reject of the Race - Belgium 2021
Posted: 29 Aug 2021, 18:23
by Aislabie
1. Michael Masi - Not just for anything he did on Sunday, but for continuing qualifying after four drivers had either complained of aquaplaning or demonstrated it, and only throwing the red flag once a driver had had the inevitable crash - at the same point where six drivers had slid off the track in matching conditions in the previous day's support race.
2. The three-hour time limit rule - Not only a stupid rule that leaves no leeway whatsoever for a delayed start, but also what kind of limit
can be arbitrarily paused for convenience.Dishonourable mentions include:
- Sergio Perez, for binning it on the formation lap
- The weather for being a dick
- The ruleset that gave us cars that cannot handle rain
- Nikita Mazepin for losing his fastest lap
- My friend and I for sitting through four hours of that when we had the entirety of Sky (his subscription) to choose from
- Gary Anderson for pointing to Brazil 2003 as an example of good race direction
Re: Reject of the Race - Belgium 2021
Posted: 29 Aug 2021, 18:37
by Miguel98
I'm changing my nomination to this and only this: