Grand Prix Rejects

Posted: **17 Sep 2023, 13:59**

1) Alonso - it just did not go to plan.
2) Sergeant - I really have tried but... he has to go. It has to happen.

I won't nominate Russell, but onlh because he was really wrestling that car by the end. I don't feel that was entirely driver error.

Posted: **17 Sep 2023, 14:05**

1) Red Bull: It might be a bit unfair considering that they still got fifth and eighth, but given their imperious performance throughout the rest of the year, I feel this falls well below their standards.

2) Alonso: A poor day at the office for a driver that has done rather well elsewhere this year.

Posted: **17 Sep 2023, 14:14**

Choices, choices, choices:

George Russell: Flushing a podium on the last lap.

Perez: A few little blots on the copybook today, with an amateur looking move on Albon at the end.

Alonso: Are we sure it wasn't Stroll in the car.

Posted: **17 Sep 2023, 14:38**

Red Bull: What a disaster weekend! After so many dominant victories, it all comes to an end with a double failure to reach Q3, followed by a race where they struggled for the most part (especially Pérez). When a 5th place looks like a good result for the performance they had, you know they've had a disaster. Not only did their win streak come to an end, so did Verstappen's podium streak, meaning that Schumacher still remains the only driver with a 100% podium rate in a season.

Dishonorable mention to Alonso for an embarrassing end to his points streak.

Posted: **17 Sep 2023, 14:41**

1. Fernando Alonso. So many mistakes. Trying his very best to win this award. Lance please get out of the car and let Fernando back in

2- Logan Sargeant. I know he is a rookie etc. But this is heading for Latifi standards now. If Red Bull don't get Lawson a seat, Logan may be out.

Hm Red Bull. Well well well. Very poor weekend from them. Their Monza 88 race I suspect.
Hm George Russell. All or nothing and it was nothing in the end. Shame.
Hm Alfa Romao. Those updates are going really well aren't they??

Posted: **17 Sep 2023, 15:21**

I'm going for Alonso - by far his poorest weekend in an Aston Martin on a circuit I fancied him to go well. Also his failure to score means only 2 have an unbroken points streak this year (Verstappen and Hamilton).

Russell was just going all out for a win on a rare Red Bull off day, and Red Bull themselves, well Max's pace still looked impressive in the closing laps so maybe he'd have been in the mix for the win without the bad safety car timing.

Posted: **17 Sep 2023, 15:35**

Lot of people had a bad weekend, but for pure rejectfulness it’s hard to beat throwing it into the wall on the last lap from a podium position. George was doing the right thing going for the win, but doing the right thing is no guarantee against rejectdom.

Posted: **17 Sep 2023, 15:38**

1. Russell - binning it on the final lap takes #1 spot in my books
2. Red Bull - a dismal weekend all the way.

Posted: **17 Sep 2023, 15:45**

Posted: **17 Sep 2023, 15:51**

1. Fernando Alonso - Dude does the most rookie of errors causing a 5 sec penalty which turns into a bad stop and then tries to pass Perez and ends up losing a position to Ocon. Then he goes off twice. Ends up last

2. Sergio Perez - Spins in Q2 and then is on course for a penalty or so after hitting Albon, getting into an incident with Lawson and caused Yuki (in a racing incident) to retire from the race. Also under investigation for a VSC infringement.

Posted: **17 Sep 2023, 16:31**

Batty wrote: ↑17 Sep 2023, 15:51 1. Fernando Alonso - Dude does the most rookie of errors causing a 5 sec penalty which turns into a bad stop and then tries to pass Perez and ends up losing a position to Ocon. Then he goes off twice. Ends up last

2. Sergio Perez - Spins in Q2 and then is on course for a penalty or so after hitting Albon, getting into an incident with Lawson and caused Yuki (in a racing incident) to retire from the race. Also under investigation for a VSC infringement.

Yeah, these are my two picks. Gone a bit under the radar how poor Perez was today, lots of clumsy driving.

Posted: **17 Sep 2023, 16:31**

Alonslow, I don't think I need to elaborate.
Race control, between slapping Perez on the wrist for doing his best impression of the average 10-year-old in a F1 23 open lobby, and taking a minute to decide to bring out the safety car, I'll give them the nod ahead of Russell.

Posted: **17 Sep 2023, 16:47**

1. Red Bull. Bafflingly off the pace having crushed everything in their path beforehand.

2. Fernando Alonso. A performance that could merit the "Retire, Old Man" tag.

Honourable mentions to Logan Sargeant, who should be demoted a rank to Logan Soldier after that performance, and George Russell who by all rights is starting to look like an outside contender for ROTY. Ridiculous choke at the worst possible time.

Posted: **17 Sep 2023, 17:14**

1) Red Bull - Only chance this season, I'm taking it!

2) The National Anthem singers - for the worst lipsync performance I have ever witnessed

Posted: **17 Sep 2023, 20:24**

I won't nominate Alonso, as he DID actually have damage (his left front wheel arch gimmick) and as I much as I loved watching George crash, I won't nominate him either. And nominating Red Bull is really just sour grapes (they did have a double points finish and ran 2 and 4 for while.)

No, there is only one nomination, and not for the first time this year either:

Pirelli - These are the three softest compounds? Mediums that could run 45 laps? Hards that easily could do the whole race? As DC pointed out mid race, the only reason anyone pitted this race is that the rules require it.

Posted: **17 Sep 2023, 21:25**

(1) Has to be Russell I am afraid - binned it from a certain 3rd place

(2) For balance - Alonso is better than that

Posted: **17 Sep 2023, 21:28**

James1978 wrote: ↑17 Sep 2023, 15:21 I'm going for Alonso - by far his poorest weekend in an Aston Martin on a circuit I fancied him to go well. Also his failure to score means only 2 have an unbroken points streak this year (Verstappen and Hamilton).

Russell was just going all out for a win on a rare Red Bull off day, and Red Bull themselves, well Max's pace still looked impressive in the closing laps so maybe he'd have been in the mix for the win without the bad safety car timing.

It was a case that Russell and Mercedes were going for a higher risk and higher reward strategy that did require Russell to push hard, so it was always a risk that could occur. Furthermore, Norris has admitted that he actually hit the same barrier that Russell did and that it was more through luck than skill that he didn't also break his suspension and crash out of the race on the final lap, so Norris came a lot closer to going from hero to zero than some might realise.

With respect to Wallio's comment, it seems that the damage for Alonso was to the shroud covering one of the lower front left wishbones. I'm tempted to nominate Aston Martin as a whole though - Stroll's accident in qualifying meant he didn't even start the race, whilst Alonso's 7th in qualifying seems to have been a bit of a missed opportunity, especially when neither Red Bull was present.

After that, the race itself was a litany of disasters for Alonso and the team - the damage to the car, the mistake when entering the pit lane that meant he got penalised and then finally the botched pit stop under the VSC that well and truly scuppered any chance of a point. Considering that Alonso had been talking up Singapore as a circuit that the team had expected to favour them, this was a major missed opportunity and the hopes the team once had of catching Ferrari and Mercedes seem to be going up in smoke.

Posted: **17 Sep 2023, 23:56**

1. Alonso: Yes, he had a bad pit stop, but seemed to completely fall apart in the second half of the race.

2. Russell: Binned it out of a 3rd place finish for an overambitious lunge on the last lap. Sometimes you need to accept a 3rd as good enough an move onto the next. The thing about all-or-nothing moves is that, often, you end up with nothing like Russell today.

Posted: **18 Sep 2023, 07:13**

Alonso and Perez absolutely deserve all their abuse, but for me it has to be Russell. It's not just that he binned it a few corners from the end on the last lap, it's that he was fighting for the win. It's that he was a favourite for the win and had the best chance to do it. It's because everything was going his and Mercedes way and everyone at home was biting their nails in anticipation of a showdown on the last few laps.

Russell went from seeming like an unstoppable force piledriving his way to a first win, to an amateur who knocked it in the wall when "under pressure". It's the fact that this was what everybody saw and will remember from this race is what makes it so rejectful imo. If Leclerc will be haunted by Paul Ricard 2022, and Vettel will be haunted by Hockenheim 2018, then Russell will be haunted by this race. Any chance of him beating Hamilton in the standings is gone, while even Lando Norris in a McLaren (which ran 16th and 17th or so all throughout Bahrain) is in danger of passing him overall by year-end. This really is looking like a sophomore slump for George, especially considering how much momentum he carried through to 2023 after Brazil last year.

Posted: **18 Sep 2023, 07:36**

Rob Dylan wrote: ↑18 Sep 2023, 07:13 Alonso and Perez absolutely deserve all their abuse, but for me it has to be Russell. It's not just that he binned it a few corners from the end on the last lap, it's that he was fighting for the win. It's that he was a favourite for the win and had the best chance to do it. It's because everything was going his and Mercedes way and everyone at home was biting their nails in anticipation of a showdown on the last few laps.

Russell went from seeming like an unstoppable force piledriving his way to a first win, to an amateur who knocked it in the wall when "under pressure". It's the fact that this was what everybody saw and will remember from this race is what makes it so rejectful imo. If Leclerc will be haunted by Paul Ricard 2022, and Vettel will be haunted by Hockenheim 2018, then Russell will be haunted by this race. Any chance of him beating Hamilton in the standings is gone, while even Lando Norris in a McLaren (which ran 16th and 17th or so all throughout Bahrain) is in danger of passing him overall by year-end. This really is looking like a sophomore slump for George, especially considering how much momentum he carried through to 2023 after Brazil last year.

Changing my vote to you. Russell won the 2022 Brazilian Grand Prix, technically he won it twice as he also won the Sprint

Posted: **18 Sep 2023, 07:57**

sswishbone wrote: ↑18 Sep 2023, 07:36
Rob Dylan wrote: ↑18 Sep 2023, 07:13 Alonso and Perez absolutely deserve all their abuse, but for me it has to be Russell. It's not just that he binned it a few corners from the end on the last lap, it's that he was fighting for the win. It's that he was a favourite for the win and had the best chance to do it. It's because everything was going his and Mercedes way and everyone at home was biting their nails in anticipation of a showdown on the last few laps.

Russell went from seeming like an unstoppable force piledriving his way to a first win, to an amateur who knocked it in the wall when "under pressure". It's the fact that this was what everybody saw and will remember from this race is what makes it so rejectful imo. If Leclerc will be haunted by Paul Ricard 2022, and Vettel will be haunted by Hockenheim 2018, then Russell will be haunted by this race. Any chance of him beating Hamilton in the standings is gone, while even Lando Norris in a McLaren (which ran 16th and 17th or so all throughout Bahrain) is in danger of passing him overall by year-end. This really is looking like a sophomore slump for George, especially considering how much momentum he carried through to 2023 after Brazil last year.
Changing my vote to you. Russell won the 2022 Brazilian Grand Prix, technically he won it twice as he also won the Sprint

but I meant this year, and it was 9am on Monday when I wrote it, and it's my first day on this forum!

Posted: **18 Sep 2023, 19:39**

I’ll give Alonso a pass after finding out that he suffered a cracked suspension in the early stages of the race, it can’t have been easy to control at a place like Singapore. I’m amazed he still finished the race tbh.

So instead

George Russell: Should have just settled for the 15 points mate, an overtake was never happening on that last lap, instead he threw away what would have been just a second podium of the year and helped Ferrari close to within 24 points of 2nd in the constructors championship. Plus Lando Norris is just 12 points behind him now despite driving a car that didn’t turn up until Austria.

Red Bull: Even the most dominant combos have their weekends to forget and Red Bull told everyone that Singapore wouldn’t be their best track but I don’t think they would have been expecting it to reach the depths of a double Q2 elimination and only taking 5th and 8th on race day (meaning a certain fanbase had the sock out all weekend). Verstappen did well to salvage what he could and would have taken Leclerc with another lap but Perez had the kind of performance and result you’d expect from a number 2 driver when the car ain’t on it as well as his pretty needless dive into Albon.

HM: Logan Sargeant: Just can’t string a complete weekend together can he? Whatever turn of speed he has gets completely forgotten with another crash

Posted: **18 Sep 2023, 20:17**

Rob Dylan the “newcomer” wrote: but I meant this year, and it was 9am on Monday when I wrote it, and it's my first day on this forum!

First day on the forum posting about the 2023 Singapore GP ROTR, I’ll give you that.

“Welcome” to GPR!

Anyway, Red Bull, Russell, and Aston Martin for ROTR.

Posted: **19 Sep 2023, 07:49**

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote: ↑18 Sep 2023, 19:39 I’ll give Alonso a pass after finding out that he suffered a cracked suspension in the early stages of the race, it can’t have been easy to control at a place like Singapore. I’m amazed he still finished the race tbh.

The reports I've seen have said that the suspension itself was fine, it was just the aerodynamic shroud that covered one of the suspension arms that had come loose.

Posted: **20 Sep 2023, 07:00**

Reject of the Race poll is up for Singapore! You have 48 hours to get voting

Posted: **25 Sep 2023, 16:39**

Rob Dylan wrote: ↑20 Sep 2023, 07:00 Reject of the Race poll is up for Singapore! You have 48 hours to get voting

Perhaps, in retrospect, the poll should have included the stewards - it turns out that Matteo Perini, who was one of the stewards in Singapore and also served as a steward in Japan, told the team bosses that the stewards should have penalised Verstappen for impeding Tsunoda during qualifying for the Singapore GP and the lack of radio messages from the pit wall to him should not have been used as a mitigating factor. https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/fia-a ... /10523609/

Effectively, we have a steward saying "sorry, we completely screwed that decision up, but it's too late to do anything about it now" - whilst, on the one hand, it's perhaps refreshing to hear someone from the FIA admit to screwing up, it has also resulted in quite a lot of complaints from drivers and teams that Verstappen was given favourable treatment from the stewards.

Posted: **19 Nov 2023, 16:21**

A last lap bid for ROTR!

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