The Junior Series Thread

wsrgo · Post by **wsrgo** » 20 Apr 2013, 13:52

2013 Bahrain GP2 Round:
FEATURE RACE FINISHING ORDER
Fabio Leimer, Stefano Coletti, Alexander Rossi, Felipe Nasr, Jolyon Palmer, Sam Bird, Adrian Quaife-Hobbs, Tom Dillmann, Simon Trummer, Johnny Cecotto Jr.

Post by **Ataxia** » 20 Apr 2013, 14:24

Dillmann with reverse-grid pole. This pleases me greatly.

I was very impressed with Rossi; I thought that Caterham would have a pretty bleak season this year. Now they've got rid of the dead-weight Ma Qinghua, they actually seem in pretty good shape. Barring Can'tamasas of course.

wsrgo · Post by **wsrgo** » 20 Apr 2013, 16:33

Ataxia wrote:Dillmann with reverse-grid pole. This pleases me greatly.

I was very impressed with Rossi; I thought that Caterham would have a pretty bleak season this year. Now they've got rid of the dead-weight Ma Qinghua, they actually seem in pretty good shape. Barring Can'tamasas of course.

Holy cow, did I just spot a 'Ma' in his name?? :shock:

Shadaza · Post by **Shadaza** » 20 Apr 2013, 17:38

It was a good race for Bahrain, even if the front 2 were unchallenged all race.

Though the officials made some strange decisions:

First of all Charlie Whiting held them on the grid for the warm up lap way too long and this probably caused Ericsson to stall, the last red light was on for a good 10 seconds!
Secondly Robin Frijjns was given a drive through penalty for causing a collison, whilst he was in last place already and miles behind anyone else.

But strangest of all, though I may be wrong on this, they gave Rene Binder a drive through penalty for forcing Mitch Evans off the track but it was actually teammate Kevin Giovesi that forced Evans off!

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 20 Apr 2013, 17:52

Shadaza wrote:Secondly Robin Frijjns was given a drive through penalty for causing a collison, whilst he was in last place already and miles behind anyone else.

Looks like a collision to me.

Post by **Ataxia** » 20 Apr 2013, 17:54

Stramala wrote:
Shadaza wrote:Secondly Robin Frijjns was given a drive through penalty for causing a collison, whilst he was in last place already and miles behind anyone else.

Looks like a collision to me.

I think the point Shadaza meant was that the drive-through was a pointless penalty as he was so far back...

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 20 Apr 2013, 18:10

Ataxia wrote:
Stramala wrote:
Shadaza wrote:Secondly Robin Frijjns was given a drive through penalty for causing a collison, whilst he was in last place already and miles behind anyone else.

Looks like a collision to me.

I think the point Shadaza meant was that the drive-through was a pointless penalty as he was so far back...

So what? Why should the stewards pick and choose when punishments should be doled out based on the position of a car afterwards? It's not fair to the other competitors if some cars don't have penalties applied for a driving infringement just because of their position on the track. I'm not sure I would even have awarded a penalty for that, but seeing as they felt it was a punishable offence, it was the right thing to give Frijns the penalty regardless of his current on-track position. Suggesting otherwise is silly.

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 20 Apr 2013, 21:10

Ataxia wrote:
Stramala wrote:
Shadaza wrote:Secondly Robin Frijjns was given a drive through penalty for causing a collison, whilst he was in last place already and miles behind anyone else.

Looks like a collision to me.

I think the point Shadaza meant was that the drive-through was a pointless penalty as he was so far back...

I have to agree with Stramala on this one. Yes, Frijns might have been miles behind, but the facts are the stewards felt his actions deserved a drive-through penalty, and acted accordingly. It was the only thing they could've done. If they hadn't given him a drive-through, it would have set a precedent, and then you'd have everyone up in arms about penalties they received when they too were miles down the order. Also, if they had taken no action because of Frijns position, where would they draw the line for future incidents? It would just open a massive can of worms.

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 21 Apr 2013, 08:43

That was a close, very close finish!

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 21 Apr 2013, 13:56

And better still, it's a win for that driver I'm supposed to be parallelled with via that strange post in the HWNSNBM forum. More like that, Sam!

Divina_Galica · Post by **Divina_Galica** » 22 Apr 2013, 13:58

Shizuka wrote:

That was a close, very close finish!

Yes, turned into a very good race - pity they had to sacrifice coverage of the top three to show the Quaife-Hobbs/Calado/Leimer/Palmer/Abt battle, but at least they caught the key moments. Great to have 4 Brits in the top 8!

I think they need to look at the drive-thru penalty when it isn't a real penalty. I don't think anyone is arguing that they shouldn't have bothered, maybe they should have deferred it to the next race, or make it a 5 place grid drop next time. the problem is that the innocent driver(s) have already had their race ruined and nothing can give them that back.

(Interesting, and disappointing, to see that Perez has brought GP2-style racing to the McLaren team battle)

DG

wsrgo · Post by **wsrgo** » 26 Apr 2013, 08:32

With several GP3 announcements recently, here's what the grid looks like:
ART: Conor Daly, Facu Regalia, Jack Harvey
Arden: Daniil Kvyat, Carlos Sainz Jr, Robert Visoiu
Carlin: Nick Yelloly, Eric Lichtenstein, Luis Sa Silva
Trident: Giovanni Venturini, David Fumanelli, Emanuele Zonzini
Koiranen: Patrick Kujala, Aaro Vainio, Kevin Korjus
Jenzer: Patric Niederhauser, Alex Fontana, Samin Gomez
Manor: Tio Ellinas, Dino Zamparelli, TBA
Status: Jimmy Eriksson, Josh Webster, Adderly Fong
Bamboo: Carmen Jorda, Nick Cassidy, TBA

Post by **Londoner** » 26 Apr 2013, 11:19

No Alice Powell on the grid yet ? That's disappointing, even more so because Carmen Jorda, who somehow managed to DNQ twice last season, is confirmed in a seat.

Backmarker · Post by **Backmarker** » 26 Apr 2013, 11:34

East Londoner wrote:No Alice Powell on the grid yet ? That's disappointing, even more so because Carmen Jorda, who somehow managed to DNQ twice last season, is confirmed in a seat.

Alice Powell has no money, whereas Jorda has plenty. I think 2013 will be a fight between the Ardens and the ARTs.

Is anyone else unable to connect to the F1Rejects IRC channel?

wsrgo · Post by **wsrgo** » 26 Apr 2013, 12:47

wsrgo wrote:Bamboo: Carmen Jorda, Nick Cassidy, TBA

A correction here, it's not Nick Cassidy, it is Melville McKee, the British driver who was 8th in last year's Eurocup Formula Renault 2.0. Cassidy, winner of the last two Toyota Racing Series events, is the leading favourite for the unfilled Manor seat.

wsrgo · Post by **wsrgo** » 26 Apr 2013, 12:51

Backmarker wrote:
East Londoner wrote:No Alice Powell on the grid yet ? That's disappointing, even more so because Carmen Jorda, who somehow managed to DNQ twice last season, is confirmed in a seat.

Alice Powell has no money, whereas Jorda has plenty. I think 2013 will be a fight between the Ardens and the ARTs.

Is anyone else unable to connect to the F1Rejects IRC channel?

Alice Powell is doing the MotorSportVision F3 Cup this year, a British championship. She has already won the first two races.

As for the IRC channel, no I can't either.

wsrgo · Post by **wsrgo** » 03 May 2013, 06:35

The 2013 GP3 grid is now complete, with Irish driver Ryan Cullen signing for Manor, and former Red Bull Junior Team member Lewis Williamson with Bamboo..

wsrgo · Post by **wsrgo** » 08 May 2013, 02:20

We've got GP2 this weekend, and Pal Varhaug has confirmed he is not taking part at Barcelona for Hilmer. His teammate Robin Frijns has done just the opposite. No earthly clue as to who will replace Varhaug.

The Dutch Bear · Post by **The Dutch Bear** » 08 May 2013, 08:05

wsrgo wrote:We've got GP2 this weekend, and Pal Varhaug has confirmed he is not taking part at Barcelona for Hilmer. His teammate Robin Frijns has done just the opposite. No earthly clue as to who will replace Varhaug.

Nice that Frijns has a ride this weekend, hopefully it won't be as bad as his run in Bahrain.

wsrgo · Post by **wsrgo** » 08 May 2013, 14:31

British driver Jon Lancaster will replace Pal Varhaug at Hilmer for Barcelona.

Backmarker · Post by **Backmarker** » 09 May 2013, 11:22

wsrgo wrote:British driver Jon Lancaster will replace Pal Varhaug at Hilmer for Barcelona.

Surprising, as he has no money.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 09 May 2013, 19:37

wsrgo wrote:British driver Jon Lancaster will replace Pal Varhaug at Hilmer for Barcelona.

Now there's a driver that seems (to me at least) to have had a bit of an on-off career...

wsrgo · Post by **wsrgo** » 10 May 2013, 14:41

2013 Spain GP2 Round:
FEATURE RACE STARTING ORDER:
1. Marcus Ericsson(DAMS)
2. Stephane Richelmi(DAMS)
3. Felipe Nasr(Carlin)
4. Sam Bird(RUSSIAN TIME)
5. Stefano Coletti(Rapax)
6. Fabio Leimer(Racing Engineering)
7. James Calado(ART)
8. Robin Frijns(Hilmer)
9. Kevin Ceccon(Trident)
10. Kevin Giovesi(Lazarus)
11. Jolyon Palmer(Carlin)
12. Daniel Abt(ART)
13. Sergio Canamasas(Caterham)
14. Tom Dillmann(RUSSIAN TIME)
15. Jon Lancaster(Hilmer)
16. Jake Rosenzweig(Addax)
17. Alexander Rossi(Caterham)
18. Julian Leal(Racing Engineering)
19. Mitch Evans(Arden)
20. Rene Binder(Lazarus)
21. Nathanael Berthon(Trident)
22. Rio Haryanto(Addax)
23. Johnny Cecotto, Jr.(Arden)
24. Simon Trummer(Rapax)
25. Adrian Quaife-Hobbs(MP)
26. Daniel de Jong(MP)

Shadaza · Post by **Shadaza** » 11 May 2013, 14:51

This last GP2 race had everything, Tom Dillman had a seasons worth of drama by himself that race!

First win for Frijjns, awesome overtaking from Nasr in 2nd and a controversial 3rd for Palmer.

johnnyCarwash · Post by **johnnyCarwash** » 11 May 2013, 16:33

After watching that GP2 race, I can understand the hype some of you guys give Frijjns. What an awesome drive ! Give him an F1 seat now!
The whole race was a really good spectacle with Dillman for pure entertainment whilst Berthon was ROTR

Meanwhile the GP3 race was a bore in comparison...

Divina_Galica · Post by **Divina_Galica** » 11 May 2013, 20:44

Shadaza wrote:This last GP2 race had everything, Tom Dillman had a seasons worth of drama by himself that race!

First win for Frijjns, awesome overtaking from Nasr in 2nd and a controversial 3rd for Palmer.

Not surprisingly Palmer gets a "drive-through" penalty dropping him to 10th, which means that Hilmer get at 1 - 3 result, so if Frijns was impressive in winning, what about Jon Lancaster??

No testing, only second weekend in a GP2 car, never driven on the Pirellis before.....pretty amazing really

DG

Post by **Ataxia** » 11 May 2013, 22:45

Wow, WHAT a race!

I know the last move didn't pay off, but do you see what I mean about Dillmann now? Definitely deserved a podium.

Dj_bereta · Post by **Dj_bereta** » 11 May 2013, 23:48

Nathanael Berthon for ROTR. He managed to hit two cars at same time :lol:

Myrvold · Post by **Myrvold** » 12 May 2013, 02:44

Backmarker wrote:
wsrgo wrote:British driver Jon Lancaster will replace Pal Varhaug at Hilmer for Barcelona.

Surprising, as he has no money.

Neither had Varhaug. Neither does Frijns. So I guess Daly never paid either.

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 12 May 2013, 09:41

Absolutely ridiculous driving from Johnny Cecotto. What was he thinking? He could have taken half the field out with that move.He's starting to make Maldonado look like an Angel. That part of the track is an uphill section so that could have been a wild ride for Canamasas who himself isn't the cleanest of racers but even he wouldn't have done that. If the stewards don't do something about Cecotto i will in the wise words of Mr Vettel "eat my hat". Canamasas must be wondering why other drivers are so attracted to his rear wing because that's the second day in a row that he's had his rear wing shorn off by another car. Maybe at Monaco he should do what Williams did at San Marino in 2001 and write "Keep your distance" On the back of his car.

Shadaza · Post by **Shadaza** » 12 May 2013, 09:48

Kimi-ICE wrote:Absolutely ridiculous driving from Johnny Cecotto. What was he thinking? He could have taken half the field out with that move.He's starting to make Maldonado look like an Angel. That part of the track is an uphill section so that could have been a wild ride for Canamasas who himself isn't the cleanest of racers but even he wouldn't have done that. If the stewards don't do something about Cecotto i will in the wise words of Mr Vettel "eat my hat". Canamasas must be wondering why other drivers are so attracted to his rear wing because that's the second day in a row that he's had his rear wing shorn off by another car. Maybe at Monaco he should do what Williams did at San Marino in 2001 and write "Keep your distance" On the back of his car.

This, I feel really bad for Canamasas as he was slicing through the field and would have deserved the 5th place finish.

Cecotto was leading a Trulli train of epic proportions though! Which lead to crazy "kindergarten" racing at the end.

johnnyCarwash · Post by **johnnyCarwash** » 12 May 2013, 10:25

Shadaza wrote:Cecotto was leading a Trulli train of epic proportions though! Which lead to crazy "kindergarten" racing at the end.

It was amateur hour from a driving standards point of view, entertaining though for TV. I want to see the stewards be firmer with their penalties and I think that there are many incidents to be reviewed here starting from the Cecotto/Canamasas incident which was bordering on dangerous and that triggered the rest imo... the stewards need to sort it as next race is Monaco...

Well done to Frijns, it would have been awesome had he managed to win this race as well!

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 12 May 2013, 17:34

Here are the ROTR's in my opinion:

Feature Race: Jolyon Palmer: Was far too aggressive in his defense of his podium place and he eventually threw it away in the stewards room

Sprint Race: Johnny Cecotto: How he didn't end up getting a penalty after that ridiculous driving I will never know.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 12 May 2013, 18:00

Johnny Cecotto needs to be banned from all racing forever. Immediately. What an idiot. That was the worst driving I've seen in my life - he puts Andy Neate to shame.

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 12 May 2013, 18:05

And to think this is the same driver who made that super tire call at Germany and raced hard but fair in all the other top results he scored. By the way looks like a lot of people have something against Andy Neate but why and what for.

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 12 May 2013, 18:12

Kimi-ICE wrote:And to think this is the same driver who made that super tire call at Germany and raced hard but fair in all the other top results he scored. By the way looks like a lot of people have something against Andy Neate but why and what for.

Because hes the spawn of Satan.

Nah, I've disliked him for a couple of years now. It started off in 2010, when he nerfed Andrew Jordan off at one of the tracks (I happen to be a big Jordan fanboy btw). Then, in 2011, he did the same thing, but in a very capable car i.e He was taking a race winning car, and using it to crash into privateers (who I also admire); same story in 2012, culminating in that big accident at Brands Hatch which just confirmed how hopeless he really is.

Post by **Londoner** » 12 May 2013, 18:15

Kimi-ICE wrote:And to think this is the same driver who made that super tire call at Germany and raced hard but fair in all the other top results he scored. By the way looks like a lot of people have something against Andy Neate but why and what for.

Hmm, let's see. Scoring 79 points in a works MG last season, when his team mate Plato scored 376 and finished 3rd in the championship. He was driving for freaking Triple 8, and he couldn't get a top-5 result all season. The fact that his replacement Sam Tordoff already has 103 points and hasn't finished a race lower than 8th so far just says it all.

And that utterly disgraceful piece of driving at Brands Hatch in October where he just drove straight into Adam Morgan.

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 12 May 2013, 18:20

Kimi-ICE wrote:Here are the ROTR's in my opinion:

Feature Race: Jolyon Palmer: Was far too aggressive in his defense of his podium place and he eventually threw it away in the stewards room

Sprint Race: Johnny Cecotto: How he didn't end up getting a penalty after that ridiculous driving I will never know.

I agree with nominating Cecotto for the sprint race. But the reject of the feature race should be Berthon. Doing the same thing earned Grosjean a ROTR last year.

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 12 May 2013, 18:20

East Londoner wrote:
Kimi-ICE wrote:And to think this is the same driver who made that super tire call at Germany and raced hard but fair in all the other top results he scored. By the way looks like a lot of people have something against Andy Neate but why and what for.

Hmm, let's see. Scoring 79 points in a works MG last season, when his team mate Plato scored 376 and finished 3rd in the championship. He was driving for freaking Triple 8, and he couldn't get a top-5 result all season. The fact that his replacement Sam Tordoff already has 103 points and hasn't finished a race lower than 8th so far just says it all.

And that utterly disgraceful piece of driving at Brands Hatch in October where he just drove straight into Adam Morgan.

Ah i was just messing i know how hapless he really is and how he doesn't live up to his name at all: Just like Scott Speed :lol:

. The fact that his new team hasn't even got on the grid yet just speaks volumes

BTW you know you're in trouble when we say you make Deletraz look like Fangio which i still think is impossible to do

Dj_bereta · Post by **Dj_bereta** » 12 May 2013, 18:35

GP2 looks like more Nascar than GP2 itself. But I have to admit, I liked the thriller ending in the last laps.