Alt-1954 - Season Review up!

Peteroli34 · Post by **Peteroli34** » 30 Aug 2014, 12:16

Gordini will repair all damage and if possible ARE will run Aldo Gordini instead of Fred Wacker for the rest of the season.

Post by **tommykl** » 30 Aug 2014, 12:46

peteroli34 wrote:Gordini will repair all damage and if possible ARE will run Aldo Gordini instead of Fred Wacker for the rest of the season.

No problem there.

This leaves two users who need to get things sorted for Germany:
-Ultimate need to repair their A chassis.
-Hampshire also needs to repair his chassis.

You have until Monday, September 1st 2014 at noon CET, or else the entries get pulled, etc.

Post by **tommykl** » 01 Sep 2014, 10:08

The deadline has been passed and Shadaza and East Londoner have failed to answer. Therefore, Barth and Hampshire have been pulled from the entry list, leaving 42 drivers.

andrew · Post by **andrew** » 01 Sep 2014, 11:23

tommykl wrote:The deadline has been passed and Shadaza and East Londoner have failed to answer. Therefore, Barth and Hampshire have been pulled from the entry list, leaving 42 drivers.

In that case I will enter, might have a good chance of qualfying now

Post by **tommykl** » 01 Sep 2014, 11:25

andrew wrote:
tommykl wrote:The deadline has been passed and Shadaza and East Londoner have failed to answer. Therefore, Barth and Hampshire have been pulled from the entry list, leaving 42 drivers.

In that case I will enter, might have a good chance of qualfying now

The entry list is already closed...but I can consider those two to be open entries, so I'll let you in

Post by **tommykl** » 01 Sep 2014, 16:08

In the news

August 10th - Communist Party outlawed in the United States of America

August 15th - US-backed Alfredo Stroessner elected President of Paraguay unopposed and takes office

August 19th - Former Italian Prime Minister Alcide De Gasperi dies at 73

August 21st 1954, German Grand Prix qualifying

Six races into the season, six different drivers have won a Grand Prix. The championship leader is not one of them. Bira still leads the world championship by a very considerable margin, despite not having won a single race this season. With five consecutive second places, he has 30 points to van der Lof's 15. Will things change here in Germany? Will Bira take his first win, and therefore secure the title (which he can do here)? Will any of Brabham, Manzon, Ramos, Bettenhausen, van der Lof or Farina take a second win? Or can an other driver take the win? Consalvo Sanesi certainly needs one to save his season...

Either way, 44, then 42, and finally 43 drivers will take part this weekend.

2. André Simon (Mercedes-Benz Team Europe) - Mercedes WM-2 chassis 1, Mercedes UM153 engine 1
4. Bernie Ecclestone (Mercedes-Benz Team Europe) - Mercedes WM-2 chassis 2, Mercedes UM153 engine 2
6. Johnny Claes (Mercedes-Benz Team Europe) - Mercedes WM-2 chassis 4, Mercedes UM153 engine 12
8. Jacques Swaters (Scuderia Anglo-Italia) - Bentley Speed 4 chassis 4, O.S.C.A. 156s engine 1
10. Giuseppe Farina (Alfa Romeo SpA) - Alfa Romeo AR160 chassis 1, Alfa Romeo ARV8 engine 1
12. Stirling Moss (Alfa Romeo SpA) - Alfa Romeo AR160 chassis 3, Alfa Romeo ARV8 engine 3
14. Peter Whitehead (Alfa Romeo SpA) - Alfa Romeo AR160 chassis 2, Alfa Romeo ARV8 engine 2
16. Louis Chiron (Leader) - Leader LF153 chassis 1, O.S.C.A. 156s engine 4
18. Karl Kling (Loyer Racing) - Loyer LR101 chassis 1, Ferrari 555 engine 8
20. Alberto Ascari (Phoenix Racing Organisation) - Phoenix PRO-2 chassis 1, Mercedes UM153 engine 7
22. Tony Bettenhausen (Jaguar-Aston Martin Racing) - Aston Martin AM-04 chassis 11, Jaguar JFE-2 engine 1
24. Dries van der Lof (Jaguar-Aston Martin Racing) - Aston Martin AM-04 chassis 3, Jaguar JFE-2 engine 3
26. B. Bira (Jaguar-Aston Martin Racing) - Aston Martin AM-04 chassis 2, Jaguar JFE-2 engine 2
28. Maurice Trintignant (Jaguar-Aston Martin Racing) - Aston Martin AM-04 chassis 12, Jaguar JFE-2 engine 16
30. Lance Macklin (Reatherson Racing Developments) - Bentley Speed 4 chassis 2, Jaguar JFE-2 engine 6
32. Robert Manzon (Alexander Racing Team-Gordini) - Gordini G-953 chassis 1, Gordini ART-004 engine 1
34. Consalvo Sanesi (Alexander Racing Team-Gordini) - Gordini G-953 chassis 2, Gordini ART-004 engine 2
36. Peter Collins (Alexander Racing Team-Gordini) - Gordini G-953 chassis 3, Gordini ART-004 engine 3
38. Hernando da Silva Ramos (Alexander Racing Team-Gordini) - Gordini G-953 chassis 4, Gordini ART-004 engine 4
40. Aldo Gordini (Anglo Racing Engineering) - Gordini G-953 chassis 5, Gordini ART-004 engine 5
42. Mike Hawthorn (Loyer Racing) - Loyer LR101 chassis 2, Ferrari 555 engine 9
44. Troy Ruttman (Asso di Fiori) - Aston Martin AM-04 chassis 5, Jaguar JFE-2 engine 8
46. Luigi Villoresi (Asso di Fiori) - Aston Martin AM-04 chassis 10, Jaguar JFE-2 engine 10
48. Toulo de Graffenried (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 555 chassis 10, Ferrari 555 engine 2
50. Jack Brabham (Scuderia Ferrari) - Ferrari 555 chassis 1, Ferrari 555 engine 5
52. Roberto Mieres (Erne Racing Development) - Aston Martin AM-04 chassis 8, Jaguar JFE-2 engine 14
54. Onofre Marimon (Erne Racing Development) - Aston Martin AM-04 chassis 9, Jaguar JFE-2 engine 15
56. Umberto Maglioli (Scuderia Ambrosiana) - Ambrosiana A-003 chassis 1, Alfa Romeo ARV8 engine 5
58. Porfirio Rubirosa (Scuderia Ambrosiana) - Ambrosiana A-003 chassis 2, Alfa Romeo ARV8 engine 6
60. Ivor Bueb (Royal Racing Automobile Company) - Maserati AM53 chassis 7, Maserati 200F engine 10
62. Manfred von Brauchitsch (Scuderia Anglo-Italia) - O.S.C.A. F154 chassis 3, Bentley 16VL-1 engine 3
64. Paul Frère (Officine Alfieri Maserati) - Maserati AM53 chassis 1, Maserati AM53 engine 1
66. Ron Flockhart (Officine Alfieri Maserati) - Maserati AM53 chassis 2, Maserati AM53 engine 2
68. Jean Behra (Team Ultimate) - Ultimate chassis 002b, O.S.C.A. 156s engine 6
70. Ken Wharton (F.H. Warden Competition) - Bentley Speed 4 chassis 6, Bentley 16VL-1 engine 5
72. Giannino Marzotto (Officine Renzo) - Ferrari 555 chassis 7, Ferrari 555 engine 11
74. Dorino Serafini (Officine Renzo) - O.S.C.A. F154 chassis 5, O.S.C.A. 156s engine 7
76. André Pilette (Ecurie Nationale Belge) - Bentley Speed 4 chassis 1, Bentley 16VL-1 engine 1
78. Olivier Gendebien (Ecurie Nationale Belge) - Aston Martin AM-04 chassis 6, Jaguar JFE-2 engine 7
80. Maria Teresa de Filippis (Scuderia Anglo-Italia) - O.S.C.A. F154 chassis 2, O.S.C.A. 156s engine 3
82. Hans Herrmann (Rennkollektiv EMW) - EMW 02 chassis 1, Mercedes UM153 engine 3
84. Stan Jones (Scuderia Anglo-Italia) - Bentley Speed 4 chassis 7, Bentley 16VL-1 Engine 2
86. John Fitch (Assasti Millanti) - Leader LF153 chassis 3, Jaguar JFE-2 engine 11

-Following the decimation of Scuderia Anglo-Italia in Switzerland, a major shuffle was needed in the team. The now conscious Piero Taruffi was reportedly consulted in the replacement selection process, and this resulted in the addition of three drivers to the team roster. Jacques Swaters and Maria Teresa de Filippis will step into the two vacated seat, de Filippis bringing her own chassis with her, while privileged Bentley customer Geoff Richardson agreed to finance a fourth entry for Stan Jones.
-Karl Kling steps back into the Loyer for his home race and Sebring.
-Balkan Eagle are in deeper financial issues than ever before. In fact, they haven't even made the trip to Bremgarten. It is not known whether or not they will reappear further down the line.
-After skipping the Swiss Grand Prix, Reatherson are back, still with Lance Macklin in the car.
-Aldo Gordini returns to Anglo Racing Engineering for the final European rounds in the absence of Balkan Eagle.
-Erne Racing Development also return in Germany with Marimon and Mieres.
-With team leader Bracco also injured, Scuderia Ambrosiana have also had to find a new driver. They decided to hire sportscar ace Umberto Maglioli, who unsuccessfully entered a few races in '53. But since then, he's won the Targa Florio, 12 hours of Pescara, 1000km of Buenos Aires, Imola Grand Prix and Supercortemaggiore.
-Ivor Bueb steps back into the RRAC Maserati, once again.
-David Hampshire's Bentley was only slightly damaged in Bremgarten, but he was unable to repair the car in time to ship it to Germany and had to withdraw his entry.
-Similarly, Edgar Barth's Ultimate chassis couldn't be repaired, and Jean Behra will be the team's sole representative in Germany. This will only add to the pressure on his shoulders, as the Frenchman has not been performing well this season.
-Ecurie Nationale Belge make their long-"awaited" return in Germany, with André Pilette and Olivier Gendebien stepping into the cars. Things have been made slightly more awkward by team boss Jacques Swaters, who will also be competing, but for another team.
-Rennkollektiv EMW return as well, for their home race, with Hans Herrmann still driving the car. Don't expect much.
-Assasti Millanti are a late entry. They had previously decided not to take part, but with Hampshire and Barth withdrawing, they saw an opportunity and quickly entered.

For the first time this season, there will be no prequalifying session.

Post by **tommykl** » 02 Sep 2014, 09:30

Qualifying performance.

Swaters - 118
Flockhart - 116
Gordini - 115
Manzon - 113
de Filippis - 111
Farina - 110
Pilette - 110
Ecclestone - 107
van der Lof - 107
Bettenhausen - 106
Macklin - 106
Ruttman - 106
Marimon - 105
Fitch - 105
Claes - 103
Ramos - 102
Hawthorn - 102
Mieres - 102
Simon - 100
Ascari - 100
Marzotto - 100
Bira - 99
Brabham - 99
von Brauchitsch - 99
Villoresi - 98
Bueb - 98
Jones - 98
Whitehead - 97
Trintignant - 96
Serafini - 96
Chiron - 94
de Graffenried - 94
Behra - 94
Herrmann - 93
Sanesi - 92
Collins - 92
Gendebien - 91
Frère - 90
Kling - 89
Wharton - 87
Moss - 86
Maglioli - 84
Rubirosa - 84

Post by **Nuppiz** » 02 Sep 2014, 14:24

As a last hurrah, F. H. Warden will enter John Fitch in the US Grand Prix in their main Bentley car (as the Bentley-Jaguar is already rented out to Renzo).

Post by **tommykl** » 02 Sep 2014, 14:50

Qualifying results
1. Giuseppe Farina (Alfa Romeo) - 9:50.33
2. Robert Manzon (Gordini) - 9:54.29
3. Dries van der Lof (Aston Martin-Jaguar) - 9:55.29
4. Tony Bettenhausen (Aston Martin-Jaguar) - 9:56.00
5. Hernando da Silva Ramos (Gordini) - 9:57.24
6. B. Bira (Aston Martin-Jaguar) - 9:58.48
7. Consalvo Sanesi (Gordini) - 10:00.13
8. Peter Whitehead (Alfa Romeo) - 10:02.02
9. Jacques Swaters (Bentley-O.S.C.A) - 10:02.20
10. Jack Brabham (Ferrari) - 10:03.02
11. Peter Collins (Gordini) - 10:04.26
12. Maurice Trintignant (Aston Martin-Jaguar) - 10:07.04
13. Troy Ruttman (Aston Martin-Jaguar) - 10:08.81
14. Maria Teresa de Filippis (O.S.C.A.) - 10:09.28
15. Toulo de Graffenried (Ferrari) - 10:11.17
16. Alberto Ascari (Phoenix-Mercedes) - 10:11.23
17. Stirling Moss (Alfa Romeo) - 10:11.70
18. Dorino Serafini (O.S.C.A.) - 10:14.12
19. Onofre Marimon (Aston Martin-Jaguar) - 10:15.06
20. André Pilette (Bentley) - 10:15.66
21. Manfred von Brauchitsch (O.S.C.A.-Bentley) - 10:15.71
22. Lance Macklin (Bentley-Jaguar) - 10:15.77
23. Stan Jones (Bentley) - 10:17.07
24. Giannino Marzotto (Ferrari) - 10:18.90
25. Bernie Ecclestone (Mercedes) - 10:18.96
26. Luigi Villoresi (Aston Martin-Jaguar) - 10:19.08
27. Johnny Claes (Mercedes) - 10:19.14
28. Porfirio Rubirosa (Ambrosiana-Alfa Romeo) - 10:20.20
29. Aldo Gordini (Gordini) - 10:22.33
30. André Simon (Mercedes) - 10:22.98
31. Mike Hawthorn (Loyer-Ferrari) - 10:23.03
32. Roberto Mieres (Aston Martin-Jaguar) - 10:25.40
33. Ron Flockhart (Maserati) - 10:32.42
34. Jean Behra (Ultimate-O.S.C.A.) - 10:33.54
35. Ken Wharton (Bentley) - 10:33.78
36. John Fitch (Leader-Jaguar) - 10:33.84
37. Umberto Maglioli (Ambrosiana-Alfa Romeo) - 10:36.43
38. Olivier Gendebien (Aston Martin-Jaguar) - 10:37.08
39. Louis Chiron (Leader-O.S.C.A.) - 10:38.62
40. Karl Kling (Loyer-Ferrari) - 10:38.74
41. Ivor Bueb (Maserati) - 10:48.54
42. Hans Herrmann (EMW-Mercedes) - 10:49.54
43. Paul Frère (Maserati) - 10:50.90

Farina takes his second consecutive pole position ahead of Manzon and van der Lof. Both Ernes make it through, as well as Hawthorn's Loyer, Behra's Ultimate, Gordini's ARE, all three Mercedes and RON BATHPLUGGING FLOCKHART'S WORKS MASERATI.

Meanwhile, Wharton, Fitch and Maglioli will be massively disappointed at not making it. The others were expected to DNQ, with Paul Frère over a full minute behind Farina.

Post by **tommykl** » 02 Sep 2014, 16:26

And here's race performance.

Claes 31
Whitehead 18
Simon 18
Brabham 14
de Filippis 12
Ascari 11
Serafini 10
van Brauchitsch 10
van der Lof 7
Macklin 7
Flockhart 7
de Graffenried 6
Jones 6
Villoresi 6
Bira 4
Rubirosa 4
Hawthorn 0
Behra 0
Bettenhausen -1
Ramos -1
Pilette -2
Gordini -4
Trintignant -5
Marzotto -6
Ecclestone -6
Mieres -6
Marimon -7
Ruttman -8
Sanesi -11
Swaters -11
Collins -14
Manzon -15
Moss -18
Farina -25

There will be 17 retirements. Four will be engine failures and there will be seven accidents. Five will be Cat. 1, and the other two will be Cat. 2.

Post by **tommykl** » 03 Sep 2014, 17:51

August 22nd 1954, German Grand Prix

Alberto Ascari got the best start while Farina led the field on the first lap from Manzon and van der Lof. Farina's race, however, was short-lived, as his gearbox failed on the second lap. The oil took Peter Collins out of the race as well, leaving 32 cars still in the race. Manzon now led from Bettenhausen, van der Lof, Ramos, Bira and Whitehead. On the third lap, Bettenhausen took the race lead from Manzon. Further back, Moss' transmission failed, and the oil also made Pilette spin out. On lap 4, Onofre Marimon took Stan Jones out of the race in a boneheaded defensive move. He tried the same move on Lance Macklin on the following lap, but only succeeded in taking himself out.

On lap 7, the race completely changed once again, as Tony Bettenhausen's engine failed out of the race lead. Troy Ruttman span out at the same time, probably on his compatriot's oil. This left 26 cars in the race. Ramos promptly passed Manzon for third place and started catching up to Bira. Van der Lof was now in the race lead. On the following lap, Macklin and Flockhart both span out in separate incidents. Then, Consalvo Sanesi had an oil leak and Jean Behra span out on the oil. Then, Peter Whitehead's engine blew, leaving just 21 cars. Then 19 when Trintignant span out and Mieres' engine blew. Jack Brabham's suspension then failed, as did de Filippis' gearbox and von Brauchitsch's engine.

In the end, Dries van der Lof became the first driver to win two races this season, reducing his gap to Bira to 12 points with 18 of them still to play for. Bira himself scored another second place, a record sixth consecutive podium. Ramos finished third, his first podium since his win in Belgium, and also scored the fastest lap, beating teammate Robert Manzon. De Graffenried scored his first points of the season with fifth place while Dorino Serafini finished sixth to take the first championship point for Officine Renzo.

1. Dries van der Lof (Aston Martin-Jaguar) 2:44:11.49
2. B. Bira (Aston Martin-Jaguar) +2:55.36
3. Hernando da Silva Ramos (Gordini) +3:23.93
4. Robert Manzon (Gordini) +4:19.09
5. Toulo de Graffenried (Ferreri) +6:00.56
6. Dorino Serafini (O.S.C.A.) +8:27.35
7. Alberto Ascari (Phoenix-Mercedes) +8:28.34
8. Jacques Swaters (Bentley-O.S.C.A.) +9:04.79
9. Johnny Claes (Mercedes) +9:46.16
10. Manfred von Brauchitsch (O.S.C.A.-Bentley) +1 lap/Engine
11. Luigi Villoresi (Aston Martin-Jaguar) +1 lap
12. Porfirio Rubirosa (Ambrosiana-Alfa Romeo) +1 lap
13. Giannino Marzotto (O.S.C.A.) +1 lap
14. André Simon (Mercedes) +1 lap
15. Bernie Ecclestone (Mercedes) +1 lap
16. Mike Hawthorn (Loyer-Ferrari) +1 lap
17. Aldo Gordini (Gordini) +1 lap
Ret. Maria Teresa de Filippis (O.S.C.A.) +2 laps/Gearbox
Ret. Jack Brabham (Ferrari) +3 laps/Suspension
Ret. Maurice Trintignant (Aston Martin-Jaguar) +6 laps/Spin
Ret. Roberto Mieres (Aston Martin-Jaguar) +6 laps/Engine
Ret. Peter Whitehead (Alfa Romeo) +7 laps/Engine
Ret. Consalvo Sanesi (Gordini) +8 laps/Oil leak
Ret. Jean Behra (Ultimate-O.S.C.A.) +8 laps/Spin
Ret. Lance Macklin (Bentley-Jaguar) +9 laps/Spin
Ret. Ron Flockhart (Maserati) +9 laps/Spin
Ret. Tony Bettenhausen (Aston Martin-Jaguar) +10 laps/Engine
Ret. Troy Ruttman (Aston Martin-Jaguar) +10 laps/Spin
Ret. Onofre Marimon (Aston Martin-Jaguar) +12 laps/Collision
Ret. Stan Jones (Bentley) +13 laps/Collision
Ret. Stirling Moss (Alfa Romeo) +14 laps/Transmission
Ret. André Pilette (Bentley) +14 laps/Spin
Ret. Giuseppe Farina (Alfa Romeo) +15 laps/Gearbox
Ret. Peter Collins (Gordini) +15 laps/Spin

Fastest lap: Hernando da Silva Ramos (Gordini) - 9:59.64

Championship standings
Drivers
1. B. Bira - 36
2. Dries van der Lof - 24
3. Hernando da Silva Ramos - 17
4. Jack Brabham - 14
5. Tony Bettenhausen - 12 (1 win, 1 4th, 5 Rets)
=. Robert Manzon - 12 (1 win, 1 4th, 5 Rets)
7. Giuseppe Farina - 11
8. José Froilan Gonzalez - 9
9. Porfirio Rubirosa - 7 (1 3rd, 1 4th)
10. Peter Collins - 7 (1 3rd, 1 5th)
11. Dorino Serafini - 7 (2 4ths)
12. Consalvo Sanesi - 4 (1 3rd, 6 Rets)
13. Reg Parnell - 4 (1 3rd, 2 Rets)
14. Maurice Trintignant - 3
15. Stirling Moss - 2 (1 5th, 2 7ths)
16. Toulo de Graffenried - 2 (1 5th, 1 7th)
17. Maria Teresa de Filippis - 2 (1 5th, 2 Rets)
18. David Hampshire - 1 (1 6th, 2 Rets)
19. Tony Gaze - 1 (1 6th, 1 DNQ)

Constructors
1. Aston Martin-Jaguar - 47
2. Gordini - 34
3. Ferrari - 19
4. Alfa Romeo - 13
5. O.S.C.A.-Bentley - 9
6. Ambrosiana-Alfa Romeo - 7
7. O.S.C.A. - 3
8. Bentley - 1

Entrants
1. Jaguar Aston Martin Racing - 47
2. Alexander Racing Team - 34
3. Scuderia Ferrari - 19
4. Alfa Romeo SpA - 13
5. Scuderia Anglo-Italia - 9
6. Scuderia Ambrosiana - 7
7. Maria Teresa de Filippis - 2
8. Asso di Fiori - 1 (1 6th, 1 7th)
9. Officine Renzo - 1 (1 6th, 1 8th)
10. Hampshire Racing Alliance - 1 (1 6th, 2 Rets)

Post-race report coming soon.

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 03 Sep 2014, 20:47

I just want to confirm that ENB will not head to the USA or Monza, as we are going to need the money we currently have for next year.

@ all top and midfield teams: André Pilette is available for the next two races. He keeps on performing well in sub-level machinery for a few years now, he's the real deal!
With Swaters doing a good job, and Frère showing a great working attitude at Maserati, this proves that ENB is the team to promote talent! And ENB-related teams have also brought Moss, Pagani and Vukovic! What more proof do you need? Hire a Belgian now! (also available Gendebien and Milhoux)

@Tommykl, as an history expert, can you tell me when VDS racing started competing at sportscars/single-seaters? They look like a reasonable option for the sixties to replace the by then outdated ENB-concept, and i'm sure they existed in the late sixties, at least with certainty in the early seventies.

Post by **tommykl** » 03 Sep 2014, 20:57

This wrote:I just want to confirm that ENB will not head to the USA or Monza, as we are going to need the money we currently have for next year.

@ all top and midfield teams: André Pilette is available for the next two races. He keeps on performing well in sub-level machinery for a few years now, he's the real deal!
With Swaters doing a good job, and Frère showing a great working attitude at Maserati, this proves that ENB is the team to promote talent! And ENB-related teams have also brought Moss, Pagani and Vukovic! What more proof do you need? Hire a Belgian now! (also available Gendebien and Milhoux)

@Tommykl, as an history expert, can you tell me when VDS racing started competing at sportscars/single-seaters? They look like a reasonable option for the sixties to replace the by then outdated ENB-concept, and i'm sure they existed in the late sixties, at least with certainty in the early seventies.

The team was founded in late 1964 and first raced in 1965 in the 24 hours of Francorchamps.

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 03 Sep 2014, 21:11

tommykl wrote:
This wrote:I just want to confirm that ENB will not head to the USA or Monza, as we are going to need the money we currently have for next year.

@ all top and midfield teams: André Pilette is available for the next two races. He keeps on performing well in sub-level machinery for a few years now, he's the real deal!
With Swaters doing a good job, and Frère showing a great working attitude at Maserati, this proves that ENB is the team to promote talent! And ENB-related teams have also brought Moss, Pagani and Vukovic! What more proof do you need? Hire a Belgian now! (also available Gendebien and Milhoux)

@Tommykl, as an history expert, can you tell me when VDS racing started competing at sportscars/single-seaters? They look like a reasonable option for the sixties to replace the by then outdated ENB-concept, and i'm sure they existed in the late sixties, at least with certainty in the early seventies.

The team was founded in late 1964 and first raced in 1965 in the 24 hours of Francorchamps.

Thanks a lot! Now i have future plans of being a small rejectful customer team until the day you ban customer teams! And beyond that is too far away to even think about right now.

Post by **Nuppiz** » 03 Sep 2014, 22:06

This wrote:Thanks a lot! Now i have future plans of being a small rejectful customer team until the day you ban customer teams! And beyond that is too far away to even think about right now.

You could always go with Ecurie Francorchamps as well.

Post by **tommykl** » 04 Sep 2014, 08:06

This wrote:
tommykl wrote:
This wrote:I just want to confirm that ENB will not head to the USA or Monza, as we are going to need the money we currently have for next year.

@ all top and midfield teams: André Pilette is available for the next two races. He keeps on performing well in sub-level machinery for a few years now, he's the real deal!
With Swaters doing a good job, and Frère showing a great working attitude at Maserati, this proves that ENB is the team to promote talent! And ENB-related teams have also brought Moss, Pagani and Vukovic! What more proof do you need? Hire a Belgian now! (also available Gendebien and Milhoux)

@Tommykl, as an history expert, can you tell me when VDS racing started competing at sportscars/single-seaters? They look like a reasonable option for the sixties to replace the by then outdated ENB-concept, and i'm sure they existed in the late sixties, at least with certainty in the early seventies.

The team was founded in late 1964 and first raced in 1965 in the 24 hours of Francorchamps.

Thanks a lot! Now i have future plans of being a small rejectful customer team until the day you ban customer teams! And beyond that is too far away to even think about right now.

Well, I believe customer teams were still allowed in Pasta's series, so I probably won't ban them at all

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 04 Sep 2014, 09:06

This wrote:@ all top and midfield teams: André Pilette is available for the next two races. He keeps on performing well in sub-level machinery for a few years now, he's the real deal!
With Swaters doing a good job, and Frère showing a great working attitude at Maserati, this proves that ENB is the team to promote talent! And ENB-related teams have also brought Moss, Pagani and Vukovic! What more proof do you need? Hire a Belgian now! (also available Gendebien and Milhoux)

Alfa Romeo would like to use Pilette for the next two races if you don't mind!

Pointrox · Post by **Pointrox** » 04 Sep 2014, 09:31

In the last minute attempt to avoid bankruptcy, Ecurie Albertini withdraws its US GP entry, and signs up for the Italian round with Sergio Mantovani behind the wheel.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 04 Sep 2014, 13:10

For the next round we'll use engine #11.

Post by **tommykl** » 04 Sep 2014, 15:45

Post-race report
Injuries
Thankfully, nothing to see here.

Damage
von Brauchitsch's engine (16VL-1 engine 3) - £8 962
Trintignant's chassis (AM-04 chassis 12) - £4 457
Mieres' engine (JFE-2 engine 14) - £12 391
Whitehead's engine (ARV8 engine 2) - £22 366
Behra's chassis (chassis 002b) - £4 344
Macklin's chassis (Speed 4 chassis 2) - £7 879
Flockhart's chassis (200F chassis 2) - £6 825
Bettenhausen's engine (JFE-2 engine 1) - £10 719
Ruttman's chassis (AM-04 chassis 5) - £2 244
Marimon's chassis (AM-04 chassis 9) - £4 294
Jones' chassis (Speed 4 chassis 7) - £14 440
Pilette's chassis (Speed 4 chassis 1) - £5 441
Collins' chassis (G-953 chassis 3) - £4 132

Prize money (laps)
Dries van der Lof - £2 000
B. Bira - £2 000
Hernando da Silva Ramos - £2 000
Robert Manzon - £2 000
Toulo de Graffenried - £2 000
Dorino Serafini - £2 000
Alberto Ascari - £2 000
Jacques Swaters - £2 000
Johnny Claes - £2 000
Manfred von Brauchitsch - £1 938
Luigi Villoresi - £1 938
Porfirio Rubirosa - £1 938
Giannino Marzotto - £1 938
André Simon - £1 938
Bernie Ecclestone - £1 938
Mike Hawthorn - £1 938
Aldo Gordini - £1 938
Maria Teresa de Filippis - £1 875
Jack Brabham - £1 813
Maurice Trintignant - £1 625
Roberto Mieres - £1 625
Peter Whitehead - £1 563
Consalvo Sanesi - £1 500
Jean Behra - £1 500
Lance Macklin - £1 438
Ron Flockhart - £1 438
Tony Bettenhausen - £1 375
Troy Ruttman - £1 375
Onofre Marimon - £1 250
Stan Jones - £1 188
Stirling Moss - £1 125
André Pilette - £1 125
Giuseppe Farina - £1 063
Peter Collins - £1 063
Ken Wharton - £500
John Fitch - £500
Umberto Maglioli - £500
Olivier Gendebien - £500
Louis Chiron - £500
Karl Kling - £500
Ivor Bueb - £500
Hans Herrmann - £500
Paul Frère - £500

Prize money (position)
Dries van der Lof - £26 000
B. Bira - £21 250
Hernando da Silva Ramos - £18 000
Robert Manzon - £11 750
Toulo de Graffenried - £9 000
Dorino Serafini - £6 250
Alberto Ascari - £5 500
Jacques Swaters - £4 750
Johnny Claes - £4 000
Manfred von Brauchitsch - £3 250
Luigi Villoresi - £2 500
Porfirio Rubirosa - £2 250
Giannino Marzotto - £2 000
André Simon - £1 750
Bernie Ecclestone - £1 500
Giuseppe Farina - £1 500
Mike Hawthorn - £1 250
Aldo Gordini - £1 000
Maria Teresa de Filippis - £750
Jack Brabham - £500
Maurice Trintignant - £250

Budgets updated.

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 04 Sep 2014, 16:46

Stuttgarter Zeitung wrote:Mercedes-Benz Declare Formula One Exit

We have learned yesterday that Mercedes have decided to abandon their Formula One entry. "The project "Team Europa" has been a failure," an unnamed source stated on the belief of Mercedes management. Apparentely, the company is looking to sell their engines and chassis at a discount rate. The identity of any potential buyers have not been revealed. For now, Mercedes Team Europe have decided to enter only Bernie Ecclestone for their final races.

Alright, to sort out my entries for the final two races of the year.
United States Grand Prix
1. Cliff Bergere (Cliff Bergere) - Mercedes WM-1 chassis 1, Bentley 84-1 engine 1
38. Bernie Ecclestone (Mercedes-Benz Team Europe) - Mercedes WM-2 chassis 1, Mercedes UM153 engine 5

Italian Grand Prix
2. Bernie Ecclestone (Mercedes-Benz Team Europe) - Mercedes WM-2 chassis 1, Mercedes UM153 engine 5

FantometteBR · Post by **FantometteBR** » 04 Sep 2014, 20:37

Did Maserati started a race?
Did it?
Is it real life?
Is it fantasy?

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 04 Sep 2014, 21:20

DanielPT wrote:
This wrote:@ all top and midfield teams: André Pilette is available for the next two races. He keeps on performing well in sub-level machinery for a few years now, he's the real deal!
With Swaters doing a good job, and Frère showing a great working attitude at Maserati, this proves that ENB is the team to promote talent! And ENB-related teams have also brought Moss, Pagani and Vukovic! What more proof do you need? Hire a Belgian now! (also available Gendebien and Milhoux)

Alfa Romeo would like to use Pilette for the next two races if you don't mind!

Perfect!

Post by **tommykl** » 05 Sep 2014, 06:51

DanielPT wrote:
This wrote:@ all top and midfield teams: André Pilette is available for the next two races. He keeps on performing well in sub-level machinery for a few years now, he's the real deal!
With Swaters doing a good job, and Frère showing a great working attitude at Maserati, this proves that ENB is the team to promote talent! And ENB-related teams have also brought Moss, Pagani and Vukovic! What more proof do you need? Hire a Belgian now! (also available Gendebien and Milhoux)

Alfa Romeo would like to use Pilette for the next two races if you don't mind!

Well, you'd to state your exact plans. Is he replacing someone else or is it a fourth car?

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 05 Sep 2014, 07:25

Von Brauchitsch's engine will be repaired, O.S.C.A. and Bentley will share the costs.

Peteroli34 · Post by **Peteroli34** » 05 Sep 2014, 09:55

1. Gordini will repair all damage
2. Ramos will drive for Gordini in the US gp instead of wacker
3. Aldo Gordini, driving for ARE qualified and finished the German GP yet ARE only received £500 prize money

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 05 Sep 2014, 10:04

tommykl wrote:
DanielPT wrote:Alfa Romeo would like to use Pilette for the next two races if you don't mind!

Well, you'd to state your exact plans. Is he replacing someone else or is it a fourth car?

Easy. I will do what was long overdue by now. Pilette will replace the disappointing Stirling Moss.

By the way, This, is there any chance that we can reach agreement for an eventual permanent transfer in case Pilette performs accordingly?

Oh, and Alfa is to repair Whitehead's engine.

andrew · Post by **andrew** » 05 Sep 2014, 14:24

Right, don't know if this is legal or not but:
Assinti milanti will sell the italain gp race seat to the highest bidder, this will work like caterham in f1, a big team who wants to try a driver for next year gives us an amount of money that will be agreed on, for this money in monza we will put a driver of their choice in the car, this will continue into 1955, the team involved in this agreement can withdraw their driver at any time they want promoting them to their bigger team

Post by **tommykl** » 05 Sep 2014, 14:25

andrew wrote:Right, don't know if this is legal or not but:
Assinti milanti will sell the italain gp race seat to the highest bidder, this will work like caterham in f1, a big team who wants to try a driver for next year gives us an amount of money that will be agreed on, for this money in monza we will put a driver of their choice in the car, this will continue into 1955, the team involved in this agreement can withdraw their driver at any time they want promoting them to their bigger team

Well, it's one team giving money to another, I don't see how that would be illegal

andrew · Post by **andrew** » 05 Sep 2014, 14:29

tommykl wrote:
andrew wrote:Right, don't know if this is legal or not but:
Assinti milanti will sell the italain gp race seat to the highest bidder, this will work like caterham in f1, a big team who wants to try a driver for next year gives us an amount of money that will be agreed on, for this money in monza we will put a driver of their choice in the car, this will continue into 1955, the team involved in this agreement can withdraw their driver at any time they want promoting them to their bigger team

Well, it's one team giving money to another, I don't see how that would be illegal

It was more along the lines of against the sport rules. Not the law

Post by **tommykl** » 05 Sep 2014, 14:33

andrew wrote:
tommykl wrote:
andrew wrote:Right, don't know if this is legal or not but:
Assinti milanti will sell the italain gp race seat to the highest bidder, this will work like caterham in f1, a big team who wants to try a driver for next year gives us an amount of money that will be agreed on, for this money in monza we will put a driver of their choice in the car, this will continue into 1955, the team involved in this agreement can withdraw their driver at any time they want promoting them to their bigger team

Well, it's one team giving money to another, I don't see how that would be illegal

It was more along the lines of against the sport rules. Not the law

Nope, I see absolutely no problem with that

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 05 Sep 2014, 14:36

andrew wrote:Right, don't know if this is legal or not but:
Assinti milanti will sell the italain gp race seat to the highest bidder, this will work like caterham in f1, a big team who wants to try a driver for next year gives us an amount of money that will be agreed on, for this money in monza we will put a driver of their choice in the car, this will continue into 1955, the team involved in this agreement can withdraw their driver at any time they want promoting them to their bigger team

Scuderia Anglo-Italia would like to notify Assinti Milanti that their seat may be more sought after if it involves the latest machinery from the O.S.C.A. and Bentley factories.

Samster · Post by **Samster** » 05 Sep 2014, 15:49

We will put Paolo Marzotto in the third car for the Italian Grand Prix.

andrew · Post by **andrew** » 05 Sep 2014, 16:12

pasta_maldonado wrote:
andrew wrote:Right, don't know if this is legal or not but:
Assinti milanti will sell the italain gp race seat to the highest bidder, this will work like caterham in f1, a big team who wants to try a driver for next year gives us an amount of money that will be agreed on, for this money in monza we will put a driver of their choice in the car, this will continue into 1955, the team involved in this agreement can withdraw their driver at any time they want promoting them to their bigger team

Scuderia Anglo-Italia would like to notify Assinti Milanti that their seat may be more sought after if it involves the latest machinery from the O.S.C.A. and Bentley factories.

Only issue is I can't afford a new chassis or engine

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 05 Sep 2014, 19:33

DanielPT wrote:By the way, This, is there any chance that we can reach agreement for an eventual permanent transfer in case Pilette performs accordingly?

Defenitely there is. It is my plan to help Belgian drivers break trough, and i don't have the budget to run them all at the same time in my own team. It's obvious that Pilette is just too good to just drive around in the lower midfield, plus this will give Gendebien and Bianchi more opportunity!

Edit: does that means i get Moss back in return? :lol:

andrew · Post by **andrew** » 05 Sep 2014, 21:07

This wrote:
DanielPT wrote:By the way, This, is there any chance that we can reach agreement for an eventual permanent transfer in case Pilette performs accordingly?

Defenitely there is. It is my plan to help Belgian drivers break trough, and i don't have the budget to run them all at the same time in my own team. It's obvious that Pilette is just too good to just drive around in the lower midfield, plus this will give Gendebien and Bianchi more opportunity!

We will take a belgian driver on for a certain price

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 05 Sep 2014, 21:26

andrew wrote:
This wrote:
DanielPT wrote:By the way, This, is there any chance that we can reach agreement for an eventual permanent transfer in case Pilette performs accordingly?

Defenitely there is. It is my plan to help Belgian drivers break trough, and i don't have the budget to run them all at the same time in my own team. It's obvious that Pilette is just too good to just drive around in the lower midfield, plus this will give Gendebien and Bianchi more opportunity!

We will take a belgian driver on for a certain price

What is the price for putting Milhoux and/or Gendebien in Monza? Because if it costs significantly more than just entering them in my own right, it's not a good deal. Besides, is your car better than my own cars are?

andrew · Post by **andrew** » 05 Sep 2014, 21:44

We are thinking of 2500-3000

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 05 Sep 2014, 23:15

andrew wrote:We are thinking of 2500-3000

I think that is close to the amount of money we'd pay if we entered on our own right. That doesn't look like an attractive deal at all. 2000/driver is the maximum i'm willing to give for one race.

Post by **tommykl** » 06 Sep 2014, 17:08

Befor I run Sebring, once again, there's a few issues.

-Ferrari need to fix 555 chassis 3.
-Maserati need to fix AM53 chassis 2.
-JAMR need to fix AM-04 chassis 12 and JFE-2 engine 1.
-Ultimate need to fix chassis 002a and 002b.
-Erne need to fix AM-04 chassis 9 and JFE-2 engine 14.
-Asso di Fiori need to fix AM-04 chassis 5.
-Hampshire need to fix Speed 4 chassis 5.
-Reatherson need to fix Speed 4 chassis 2.
-Officine Renzo need to specify a driver for the Bentley-Jaguar.
-R.R.A.C. have entered a second car for Bill Vukovich, but the entered car is a Bentley Speed 3, which R.R.A.C. do not have. Either a suitable car is found, or the entry is cancelled.

All of this needs to be remedied before Monday September 8th 2014 at noon CET. If not, Parnell, Flockhart, Trintignant, Bettenhausen, Barth, Behra, Marimon, Mieres, Ruttman, Hampshire, Macklin, Vukovich and the third Renzo will be withdrawn (which would leave 25 entries).