Haas F1 Team Thread

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 04 Jun 2014, 16:54

Since Forza Rossa has its own thread now and we mostly discussed about Haas in this thread, I've changed the thread title.

MorbidelliObese · Post by **MorbidelliObese** » 11 Jun 2014, 11:34

Seems to have abandoned the Dallara plans and seems to want to take the latest customer/shared parts rules to their limit in order to get a car on the grid, as per Autosport, with the tub, bodywork and other mandated-proprietary bits done in-house.

In favour of the relaxation on appendix 6/listed parts rules myself, so long as it doesn't morph into a full-blown mandated standard parts crapfest.

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 11 Jun 2014, 16:46

It's definitely the sensible decision, and for the purists, the best as well because Haas will now build their cars themselves rather than contracting it out to Dallara. This then opens the door potentially for Forza Rossa to utilise Dallara's expertise...

Personally, I don't really mind the relaxed Appendix 6 rules, I think if we were to go down the route of customer cars, or increasing percentages of cars made up of customer components, then perhaps ensure they are a year old, providing they comply to the regulations. I think we will reach a point in a few years where it may have to be a serious consideration, unless some form of budget restriction is put in place.

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 11 Jun 2014, 18:40

AndreaModa wrote:It's definitely the sensible decision, and for the purists, the best as well because Haas will now build their cars themselves rather than contracting it out to Dallara. This then opens the door potentially for Forza Rossa to utilise Dallara's expertise...

Brilliant. Hopefully Dallara has penned some chassis ideas for the current regulations!

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 18 Jun 2014, 21:00

Danica Patrick admits F1 with Haas 'possible'
"I agree that anything is possible, but nobody has said anything to me. I am happy where I am at right now as far as racing goes" - Danica Patrick.

Jun.16 (GMM) Danica Patrick has refused to rule out entering Formula One in 2016.

Gene Haas, F1's newest team owner, has said the world's most famous female racer "would be the dream driver" for his new foray.
He admitted, however, that the fact Nascar driver and American Patrick will be 34 by 2016 could be an issue.
"The question was about the dream driver!" Haas - who already runs Patrick in his Nascar team Stewart-Haas - told F1's official website.
"But she surely fits the bill."

Patrick told the Toronto Sun: "I agree that anything is possible, but nobody has said anything to me. I am happy where I am at right now as far as racing goes.
"I am just starting to get the hang of (Nascar) sprint cup racing.
"Out of respect for Gene, if he came to me I would certainly listen, but I am almost getting too old to start a third career," she added.

Wallio · Post by **Wallio** » 18 Jun 2014, 22:20

Jocke1 wrote:
Danica Patrick admits F1 with Haas 'possible'
"I agree that anything is possible, but nobody has said anything to me. I am happy where I am at right now as far as racing goes" - Danica Patrick.

Jun.16 (GMM) Danica Patrick has refused to rule out entering Formula One in 2016.

Gene Haas, F1's newest team owner, has said the world's most famous female racer "would be the dream driver" for his new foray.
He admitted, however, that the fact Nascar driver and American Patrick will be 34 by 2016 could be an issue.
"The question was about the dream driver!" Haas - who already runs Patrick in his Nascar team Stewart-Haas - told F1's official website.
"But she surely fits the bill."

Patrick told the Toronto Sun: "I agree that anything is possible, but nobody has said anything to me. I am happy where I am at right now as far as racing goes.
"I am just starting to get the hang of (Nascar) sprint cup racing.
"Out of respect for Gene, if he came to me I would certainly listen, but I am almost getting too old to start a third career," she added.

I will never root harder against a team, or wish more ill-will upon them than if they do this.....

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 18 Jun 2014, 22:30

Calm down everyone, this is the Toronto Sun, they take any quote out of context given the opportunity :lol:

Though this surprises me a lot, The Sun doesn't usually report on F1 - they usually report on hockey, ufc, etc.

wsrgo · Post by **wsrgo** » 03 Jul 2014, 15:02

I wonder if Gene Haas will now change his name to Eugenio Hasso?

Wallio · Post by **Wallio** » 03 Jul 2014, 18:43

Ferrari announced today that Haas Automation is now a sponsor. Hmmm.......

Post by **Ataxia** » 03 Jul 2014, 18:47

Wallio wrote:Ferrari announced today that Haas Automation is now a sponsor. Hmmm.......

Welp, that pretty much confirms Haas will use Ferrari engines for 2016.

Post by **mario** » 03 Jul 2014, 19:48

Ataxia wrote:
Wallio wrote:Ferrari announced today that Haas Automation is now a sponsor. Hmmm.......

Welp, that pretty much confirms Haas will use Ferrari engines for 2016.

I'll wager that it will be more than just engines - there have been signs that the FIA is relaxing the regulations on customer components, so perhaps we'll see other components (maybe some elements of the chassis, for example) being transferred so di Montezemolo's dream of a US based Ferrari customer team coming closer to reality...

Wallio · Post by **Wallio** » 03 Sep 2014, 17:01

http://motorsportstalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... rtnership/

And there it is. Luca gets his Ferrari USA team, and Haas has some stability now.

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 03 Sep 2014, 18:15

Wallio wrote:http://motorsportstalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/03/haas-f1-confirms-ferrari-technical-partnership/

And there it is. Luca gets his Ferrari USA team, and Haas has some stability now.

Does this mean NART is back?

Wallio · Post by **Wallio** » 03 Sep 2014, 18:19

Simtek wrote:
Wallio wrote:http://motorsportstalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/03/haas-f1-confirms-ferrari-technical-partnership/

And there it is. Luca gets his Ferrari USA team, and Haas has some stability now.

Does this mean NART is back?

I hope so, those red cars with the white/blue "American Racing" colored stripes were always pretty.

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 19 Oct 2014, 20:00

Haas has been quiet since the Ferrari announcement. Has anyone read or heard anything lately?

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 19 Oct 2014, 20:21

Faustus wrote:Haas has been quiet since the Ferrari announcement. Has anyone read or heard anything lately?

No, maybe because they're focusing on getting the car ready and there's not much to report?

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 20 Oct 2014, 09:17

Salamander wrote:
Faustus wrote:Haas has been quiet since the Ferrari announcement. Has anyone read or heard anything lately?

No, maybe because they're focusing on getting the car ready and there's not much to report?

I say quiet is not a bad thing. I would be more concerned if they had been posting videos of them building parts or doing guided tours to the factory.

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 20 Oct 2014, 10:08

I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing - teams and drivers are increasingly embracing social media. So reaching out to fans through a platform like YouTube is perfectly viable. The problem comes when you focus too much on that element to the detriment of all else.

Post by **Ataxia** » 20 Oct 2014, 10:20

DanielPT wrote:
Salamander wrote:
Faustus wrote:Haas has been quiet since the Ferrari announcement. Has anyone read or heard anything lately?

No, maybe because they're focusing on getting the car ready and there's not much to report?

I say quiet is not a bad thing. I would be more concerned if they had been posting videos of them building parts or doing guided tours to the factory.

But I really wanted to see their front noses and nothing else...

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 20 Oct 2014, 10:39

Ataxia wrote:But I really wanted to see their front noses and nothing else...

Just for you...

Great days...

Aguaman · Post by **Aguaman** » 20 Oct 2014, 14:31

Every time I see this title thread I think of

Even as they race.

Anyway not worried about them. Not like they'll be USF1...v2.

f1andrea · Post by **f1andrea** » 20 Oct 2014, 19:29

www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT8tpqZ-fyA

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 21 Oct 2014, 09:19

f1andrea wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT8tpqZ-fyA

It's official. I am now slightly concerned... It could be worse still, they could be showing front noses.

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 21 Oct 2014, 09:34

It's so epic

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 21 Oct 2014, 13:52

f1andrea wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT8tpqZ-fyA

If you want, you can watch it backwards to see the day when it all goes tits up and the sign is removed (and then un-ceremoniously dumped in a skip (unfilmed)).

Minardi Man · Post by **Minardi Man** » 28 Oct 2014, 20:25

So if Hass are entering in 2016, does this mean they will have much more time than the "2010" teams did to prepare?
I think that they could definitely perform better than those teams did in their first year anyway, with the ferrari backing on board (which Virgin didnt benefit from) and decent funding, backing, staff and equipment, they should do fine, you'd think?

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 15 Dec 2014, 23:29

Haas now planning to have his team based in the UK, although the designers will still be based in North Carolina: http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/d ... ew-f1-team.

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 15 Dec 2014, 23:37

Gene Haas wrote:A lot of the teams in the UK build everything themselves. They seem to have this English mentality that this is the way it has to be done and that is just not our business model at all.

Go 'Murica!

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 16 Dec 2014, 00:11

DanielPT wrote:
f1andrea wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT8tpqZ-fyA

It's official. I am now slightly concerned... It could be worse still, they could be showing front noses.

I know, right? I mean, what happens when they get to the first pre-season test for 2016, unload the car, and it runs under its own power without assistance for the entire test? I mean, that would be a travesty!

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 16 Dec 2014, 00:19

Gene Haas wrote:If we did it the way Caterham and Marussia did it we would have the same result so I think we are going to do it differently.

Hmm yeah, the way that involved entering the sport on the promise that there would be a £40 million budget cap only for it to fall to pieces.

I'm genuinely fascinated by how Haas thinks he's going to do this. Aside from the support from Ferrari, he's still going to have enormous operational costs, especially trying to run a team from both sides of the pond in two units rather than one. It would be nice to see Marussia's HQ continue to be used for motorsport as well. I can see it being empty for quite some time otherwise.

But as for Haas, I think there should be genuine scepticism of his team ever making the grid. I can't see where all the money is going to come from, he's not that rich.

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 16 Dec 2014, 00:56

According to F1 Fanatic, Haas has said he intends to bid on some of Marussia's assets at this week's auction.

Post by **mario** » 16 Dec 2014, 09:22

Captain Hammer wrote:According to F1 Fanatic, Haas has said he intends to bid on some of Marussia's assets at this week's auction.

It makes sense for him to do that, since I imagine that it would potentially be a cheaper way for him to acquire equipment than on the open market - and if he goes ahead with the possibility of acquiring Marussia's former headquarters to boot, then he would have a pretty handy maintenance facility to boot.

AndreaModa wrote:
Gene Haas wrote:If we did it the way Caterham and Marussia did it we would have the same result so I think we are going to do it differently.

Hmm yeah, the way that involved entering the sport on the promise that there would be a £40 million budget cap only for it to fall to pieces.

I'm genuinely fascinated by how Haas thinks he's going to do this. Aside from the support from Ferrari, he's still going to have enormous operational costs, especially trying to run a team from both sides of the pond in two units rather than one. It would be nice to see Marussia's HQ continue to be used for motorsport as well. I can see it being empty for quite some time otherwise.

But as for Haas, I think there should be genuine scepticism of his team ever making the grid. I can't see where all the money is going to come from, he's not that rich.

It seems that Haas is mostly pinning his hopes on the fact that the teams and the FIA have agreed to a relaxation on the rules permitting the sale of parts and IP rights to customer teams, which would therefore cut his development costs. It has already been confirmed that some areas are already being relaxed - I believe that teams will now be allowed to sell suspension components to customer teams - and I think that some bodywork panels might come under this too.

What might upset some of his plans would be whether the new management at Ferrari is quite so supportive of him as Luca was prepared to be - whilst Luca seems to have seen Haas as the closest option he would have under the current rules for a US based Ferrari customer team, the recent upheaval within Ferrari suggests that the team seems to be turning inwards, to deal with its own internal issues, rather than looking outwards towards its customers.

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 23 Dec 2014, 21:38

Haas has bought the Marussia factory (that sounded weird).

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 24 Dec 2014, 08:13

Good move. I feel like he's playing down his chances while slowly preparing everything a year ahead - I like it so far. Hopefully there won't be a Mastercard move involved.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 24 Dec 2014, 11:34

Simtek wrote:Haas has bought the Marussia factory (that sounded weird).

Sensible move. What I wonder though is how big a role their North Carolina base will play. Surely for logistical reasons, they can't afford to house the cars, and therefore the workshop, in NC. So what else is there for them to do over in America bar R&D? They risk becoming American by name only, but I suppose this is to be expected from such a European-centric sport.

Post by **Ataxia** » 24 Dec 2014, 12:04

Biscione wrote:
Simtek wrote:Haas has bought the Marussia factory (that sounded weird).

Sensible move. What I wonder though is how big a role their North Carolina base will play. Surely for logistical reasons, they can't afford to house the cars, and therefore the workshop, in NC. So what else is there for them to do over in America bar R&D? They risk becoming American by name only, but I suppose this is to be expected from such a European-centric sport.

The plan, I believe, is to design and build the cars in North Carolina. The Marussia facility will be for the race team to prepare.

Backmarker · Post by **Backmarker** » 24 Dec 2014, 13:19

I seem to remember that Dallara were going to design the first Haas F1 car (from their USA design office, so Haas could claim it was a US effort, though for windtunnel testing Dallara will either have to use Windshear, or their Italian windtunnel), and then Haas were going to actually construct the chassis using their own facilities.

F1000X · Post by **F1000X** » 25 Dec 2014, 00:21

Biscione wrote:
Simtek wrote:Haas has bought the Marussia factory (that sounded weird).

Sensible move. What I wonder though is how big a role their North Carolina base will play. Surely for logistical reasons, they can't afford to house the cars, and therefore the workshop, in NC. So what else is there for them to do over in America bar R&D? They risk becoming American by name only, but I suppose this is to be expected from such a European-centric sport.

If nothing else, they can exploit tax loopholes and score money from the government. That's a national pastime for business in our country.

tBone · Post by **tBone** » 08 Jan 2015, 08:37

Gene Haas wrote:If we prove that we can be successful maybe that would be a model of how you start up. But, to have someone like Caterham and Marussia, where they just started with nothing, that just doesn't work.

At GPUpdate, Gene Haas seems pretty convinced his approach is better than Caterham's and Marussia's was. Will he be more successful than those two?

I think they will be financially more stable, but I have my doubts about their performance. Surely the customer parts will not be as good as the works parts and with the small differences between teams on the grid, they might not be good enough.

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 08 Jan 2015, 09:40

tBone wrote:
Gene Haas wrote:If we prove that we can be successful maybe that would be a model of how you start up. But, to have someone like Caterham and Marussia, where they just started with nothing, that just doesn't work.

At GPUpdate, Gene Haas seems pretty convinced his approach is better than Caterham's and Marussia's was. Will he be more successful than those two?

I think they will be financially more stable, but I have my doubts about their performance. Surely the customer parts will not be as good as the works parts and with the small differences between teams on the grid, they might not be good enough.

He's beginning to sound like Craig Pollock with his unsubstantiated claims (although still nowhere near as bad). Next season's going to be fun.