Unusual F1 Stats

andrew2209 · Post by **andrew2209** » 26 Nov 2014, 19:05

Dj_bereta wrote:If Andre Lotterer doesn't return to F1, his F1 career is going to be one of shortest of recent F1 era (shortest since Sarrazin?).

I don't know what recent is, but Marco Apicella didn't make it past the first corner in his only F1 race.

Jan Magnussen · Post by **Rob Dylan** » 28 Nov 2014, 14:07

I don't know for sure, but I'm pretty certain Rosberg's 2nd place has got to be the highest points tally of anyone who came runner-up, on whatever points system. On the 2003-2009 system he collected 139 points and on the 1991-2002 he got 113 points (bear in mind he didn't get any double points). That's more than most drivers got in their world championship winning years!

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 28 Nov 2014, 16:45

Rob Dylan wrote:I don't know for sure, but I'm pretty certain Rosberg's 2nd place has got to be the highest points tally of anyone who came runner-up, on whatever points system. On the 2003-2009 system he collected 139 points and on the 1991-2002 he got 113 points (bear in mind he didn't get any double points). That's more than most drivers got in their world championship winning years!

There is the issue of 19 races, though....

Jan Magnussen · Post by **Rob Dylan** » 28 Nov 2014, 18:18

True. But if you add a win onto Raikkonen's 2005 campaign at the end or the same with Schumacher 06, that makes 122 and 131 points still. Rosberg's points value is still a hefty amount regardless.

Waris · Post by **Waris** » 28 Nov 2014, 20:59

Has there ever been a season in which most of the races of the first half have been won by one team, while most of the second half has been won by another?

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 28 Nov 2014, 21:02

Waris wrote:Has there ever been a season in which most of the races of the first half have been won by one team, while most of the second half has been won by another?

2009? Brawn then Red Bull...

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 28 Nov 2014, 21:06

dr-baker wrote:
Waris wrote:Has there ever been a season in which most of the races of the first half have been won by one team, while most of the second half has been won by another?

2009? Brawn then Red Bull...

2006? Renault won all bar 2 races in the first half then Ferrari won all bar 2 races in the second half.

Post by **tommykl** » 28 Nov 2014, 22:49

good_Ralf wrote:
dr-baker wrote:
Waris wrote:Has there ever been a season in which most of the races of the first half have been won by one team, while most of the second half has been won by another?

2009? Brawn then Red Bull...

2006? Renault won all bar 2 races in the first half then Ferrari won all bar 2 races in the second half.

I will add to that 1979, which was actually split in three.

Ligier dominated the early season, then Ferrari, then Williams.

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 29 Nov 2014, 15:31

A list of every engine configuration used in the World Championship

L4 - 1950 British Grand Prix (Maserati, Alta)-1988 Australian Grand Prix (Arrows-Megatron, Zakspeed). 65 wins.
L6 - 1950 British Grand Prix (ERA, Talbot-Lago)-1960 Italian Grand Prix (Maserati). 9 wins.
L8 - 1950 British Grand Prix (Alfa Romeo)-1956 Italian Grand Prix (Gordini). 19 wins.
V2 - 1950 Monaco Grand Prix (Cooper-JAP). 1 DNF.
V12 - 1950 Monaco Grand Prix (Ferrari)-1995 Australian Grand Prix (Ferrari). 42 wins.
V16 - 1951 British Grand Prix (BRM)-1951 Italian Grand Prix (BRM). 1 5th place.
V8 - 1952 Swiss Grand Prix (AFM)-2013 Brazilian Grand Prix (Caterham-Renault, Ferrari, Force India-Mercedes, Lotus-Renault, Marussia-Cosworth, McLaren-Mercedes, Mercedes, Red Bull-Renault, Sauber-Ferrari, Toro Rosso-Ferrari, Williams-Renault). 370 wins.
F4 - 1952 Belgian Grand Prix (Aston-Butterworth)-1964 German Grand Prix (Porsche). 3 2nd places.
V6 - 1958 Monaco Grand Prix (Ferrari). Still currently in use. 131 wins to date.
F8 - 1962 Dutch Grand Prix (Porsche)-1962 United States Grand Prix (Porsche). 1 win.
F12 - 1964 United States Grand Prix (Ferrari)-1990 British Grand Prix (Coloni-Subaru). 39 wins.
H16 - 1966 Belgian Grand Prix (Lotus-BRM)-1968 South African Grand Prix (BRM). 1 win.
Gas turbine - 1971 Dutch Grand Prix (Lotus-Pratt & Whitney)-1971 Italian Grand Prix (Lotus-Pratt & Whitney). 1 8th place.
V10 - 1989 Brazilian Grand Prix (McLaren-Honda, Williams-Renault)-2006 Brazilian Grand Prix (Toro Rosso-Cosworth). 239 wins.
W12 - 1990 United States Grand Prix (Life)-1990 Italian Grand Prix (Life). 12 DNPQs.

MorbidelliObese · Post by **MorbidelliObese** » 01 Dec 2014, 17:38

Juan Manuel Fangio took part in the first WC event (1950 British GP)
Fangio and Graham Hill both raced in the 1958 French GP
Hill and Jacques Laffite both raced in the 1975 Brazilian GP
Laffite and Gerhard Berger both raced in the 1986 British GP (or French if you want to count Laffite as officially DNSing at Brands)
Berger and Michael Schumacher both raced in the 1997 European GP
Schumacher and (well take your pick of active 2012 & 2014 drivers) both raced in the 2012 Brazilian GP
bringing us up to the present day.

The tantalising thing is Hill and Riccardo Patrese missing an overlap by a couple of seasons, which would have enabled a Fangio > Hill > Patrese > Schumacher > present chain with one link fewer.

I have no idea of the relevance of any of this, but it was fun to work out

Sublime_FA11C · Post by **Sublime_FA11C** » 01 Dec 2014, 19:27

I also don't know the relevance, but thanks for writing it. Fun "chain".

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 01 Dec 2014, 19:38

Too bad Maurice Trintignant started his career only in Monaco (2nd race). Via him and Chris Amon the chain would take major leaps.

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 12 Dec 2014, 07:20

McLaren drivers Button and Alonso combine for 147 F1 podiums. Michael Schumacher had 155.

Boomstick · Post by **Boomstick** » 12 Dec 2014, 07:47

My couch got delivered the day after the F1 season ended.

Its almost as bad as when Michael Schumacher and David Couthard almost ran me over with a motor scooter in pit lane in Melbourne a few years ago...

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 12 Dec 2014, 10:33

Boomstick wrote:My couch got delivered the day after the F1 season ended.

Its almost as bad as when Michael Schumacher and David Couthard almost ran me over with a motor scooter in pit lane in Melbourne a few years ago...

Look on the bright side. You look set for a great 2015 season!

Jan Magnussen · Post by **Rob Dylan** » 12 Dec 2014, 11:25

What kind of a couch was it?

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 16 Dec 2014, 01:11

Christian Danner has the record for most positions gained in a single Grand Prix with 22. From 26th to 4th at the 1989 United States Grand Prix.

Please feel free to correct me if i'm wrong.

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 16 Dec 2014, 01:29

FullMetalJack wrote:Christian Danner has the record for most positions gained in a single Grand Prix with 22. From 26th to 4th at the 1989 United States Grand Prix.

Please feel free to correct me if i'm wrong.

1954 British Grand Prix - Roberto Mieres started 32nd and finished 6th, a total of 26 places gained. In the same race his fellow Argentinian Onofre Marimón went from 28th to 3rd, a total of 25 places.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 16 Dec 2014, 08:02

In the 1951 Indy 500, Andy Linden gained 27 places, finishing 4th after starting 31st. This was later topped in 1955 by Johnny Thompson, who gained 29 places on his way to 4th from 33rd on the grid. That was later topped in 1957 by Jim Rathmann, who gained 30 places on his way to 2nd after starting 32nd.

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 16 Dec 2014, 08:41

Rob Dylan wrote:
Boomstick wrote:My couch got delivered the day after the F1 season ended.

What kind of a couch was it?

I think you're missing the more important question here: what was Boomstick sitting on before he got his couch?

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 16 Dec 2014, 11:27

Salamander wrote:In the 1951 Indy 500, Andy Linden gained 27 places, finishing 4th after starting 31st. This was later topped in 1955 by Johnny Thompson, who gained 29 places on his way to 4th from 33rd on the grid. That was later topped in 1957 by Jim Rathmann, who gained 30 places on his way to 2nd after starting 32nd.

The Indy 500 always has to mess things up doesn't it?

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 16 Dec 2014, 12:00

Captain Hammer wrote:
Rob Dylan wrote:
Boomstick wrote:My couch got delivered the day after the F1 season ended.

What kind of a couch was it?

I think you're missing the more important question here: what was Boomstick sitting on before he got his couch?

I've always assumed a broomstick... even though I know that's not his user name!

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 16 Dec 2014, 17:09

In every race BAR/Honda/Brawn/Mercedes started, they have had at least one former/future world champion in their line-up. (Villeneuve 1999-2003, Button 2003-2009, Schumacher 2010-2012, Hamilton 2013- ) Only applies to Brackely Merc, but off the top of my head it was the same for 1950's Mercedes as well.

Backmarker · Post by **Backmarker** » 16 Dec 2014, 17:32

takagi_for_the_win wrote:In every race BAR/Honda/Brawn/Mercedes started, they have had at least one former/future world champion in their line-up. (Villeneuve 1999-2003, Button 2003-2009, Schumacher 2010-2012, Hamilton 2013- ) Only applies to Brackely Merc, but off the top of my head it was the same for 1950's Mercedes as well.

The last race at which that was true for McLaren was the 1995 Pacific Grand Prix. For Ferrari it was the 1999 European Grand Prix.

Dj_bereta · Post by **Dj_bereta** » 18 Dec 2014, 23:43

Considering only points, Vettel have the worst title defense of F1 history (excluding Mansell). He finished 217 behind of the champion and 71 behind of his team mate. Also, he scored 230 less points in comparison with 2013 season.

Considering the 1991-2002 system points, he finished 102 points behind of the champion.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 19 Dec 2014, 11:44

Dj_bereta wrote:Considering only points, Vettel have the worst title defense of F1 history (excluding Mansell). He finished 217 behind of the champion and 71 behind of his team mate. Also, he scored 230 less points in comparison with 2013 season.

Considering the 1991-2002 system points, he finished 102 points behind of the champion.

But in terms of total points scored (and presumably percentage-wise), rather than gap to the new champion, the worst title defence would have to be Jody Scheckter. His title defence included a DNQ. In a works Ferrari!

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 19 Dec 2014, 12:29

Dj_bereta wrote:Considering only points, Vettel have the worst title defense of F1 history (excluding Mansell).

Yeah, I don't whose title defence was worst, Mansells in 1993 or Prosts in 1994.

girry · Post by **girry** » 19 Dec 2014, 15:20

Ascari's '54 season deserves a mention here - he didn't manage a single finish!

Similarly, Fangio's '52 wasn't a great success, either.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 19 Dec 2014, 15:27

giraurd wrote:Similarly, Fangio's '52 wasn't a great success, either.

He suffered a near-fatal crash at Monza IIRC, which left him recovering from some bad injuries.

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 19 Dec 2014, 16:30

CoopsII wrote:
Dj_bereta wrote:Considering only points, Vettel have the worst title defense of F1 history (excluding Mansell).

Yeah, I don't whose title defence was worst, Mansells in 1993 or Prosts in 1994.

Stewart's in 1974 was also pretty hopeless.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 19 Dec 2014, 18:15

Simtek wrote:
CoopsII wrote:
Dj_bereta wrote:Considering only points, Vettel have the worst title defense of F1 history (excluding Mansell).

Yeah, I don't whose title defence was worst, Mansells in 1993 or Prosts in 1994.

Stewart's in 1974 was also pretty hopeless.

Sadly, Rindt was unable to defend his title.

girry · Post by **girry** » 19 Dec 2014, 19:56

...ditto Hawthorn.

Post by **tommykl** » 19 Dec 2014, 19:59

giraurd wrote:...ditto Hawthorn.

Hawthorn had already retired when he died, so he's more like Stewart in that sense.

girry · Post by **girry** » 19 Dec 2014, 22:12

Wasn't Jochen planning on retiring after winning a title?

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 19 Dec 2014, 22:16

giraurd wrote:Wasn't Jochen planning on retiring after winning a title?

He was, actually.

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 19 Dec 2014, 22:32

tommykl wrote:
giraurd wrote:...ditto Hawthorn.

Hawthorn had already retired when he died, so he's more like Stewart in that sense.

Stewart never died

Oh wait, that's not what you meant to say.

Dj_bereta · Post by **Dj_bereta** » 19 Dec 2014, 23:11

Well, considering the percentage of the points scored by the defender, in comparison with the champion, Vettel isn't the worst, but it is the worst since Villeneuve.

2014 - Vettel (43%)
2010 - Button (84%)
2009 - Hamilton (52%)
2008 - Raikkonen (77%)
2007 - Alonso (99%)
2005 - Schumacher (47%)
2000 - Hakkinen (82%)
1998 - Villeneuve (21%)
1997 - D.Hill (9%)
1996 - Schumacher (61%)
1994 - Prost (0%) *
1993 - Mansell (0%) *
1992 - Senna (46%)
1990 - Prost (91%)
1989 - Senna (80%)
1988 - Piquet (24%)
1987 - Prost (63%)
1985 - Lauda (19%)
1984 - Piquet (40%)
1983 - Rosberg (46%)
1982 - Piquet (45%)
1981 - Jones (92%)
1980 - Scheckter (3%)
1979 - Andretti (27%)
1978 - Lauda (69%)
1977 - Hunt (56%)
1976 - Lauda (99%)
1975 - Fittipaldi (70%)
1974 - Stewart (0%) *
1973 - Fittipaldi (77%)
1972 - Stewart (74%)
1971 - Rindt (0%) *
1970 - Stewart (56%)
1969 - G.Hill (30%)
1968 - Hulme (70%)
1967 - Brabham (90%)
1966 - Clark (38%)
1965 - Surtees (31%)
1964 - Clark (80%)
1963 - G.Hill (46%)
1962 - P.Hill (33%)
1961 - Brabham (12%)
1959 - Hawthorn (0%) *
1958 - Fangio (17%) **
1954 - Ascari (3%) **
1952 - Fangio (0%) *
1951 - Farina (61%)

* Didn't take part of the season
** Didn't take part of all races

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 21 Dec 2014, 17:01

TOP TEN CIRCUITS BY NUMBER OF DRIVER UNREJECTIFICATIONS

1. Circuit de Monaco - 35
2. Indianapolis Motor Speedway - 32
3. Autodromo Nazionale Monza - 20
4. Silverstone Circuit - 18
5. Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps - 17
6. Circuit Bremgarten - 11
=7. Circuit van Zandvoort - 10
=7. Hockenheimring - 10
=9. Circuit de Reims - 8
=9. Nürburgring - 8

Additional notes

- Only three drivers unrejectified themselves at Indianapolis while it hosted the United States Grand Prix (Zonta, Monteiro and Karthikeyan). Its record of 29 unrejectifications stood until Senna's famous podium at the 1984 Monaco Grand Prix.
- Indianapolis and Bremgarten are the only circuits to have more unrejectifications than the number of races hosted.
- Ain-Diab, AVUS, Zeltweg and Nivelles are the only circuits to have a 100% record of unrejectifications.
- Pescara, Porto, Sebring, Monsanto, Riverside, East London, Le Mans, Mont-Tremblant, Anderstorp, Long Beach, Fuji, Caesars Palace, Dallas, Donington, Aida, Istanbul, Yeongam, Buddh, Austin and Sochi have never seen an unrejectification, Long Beach having hosted the most races, at eight.
- In all the years it's been on the calendar, the Hungaroring has only seen one driver unrejectify himself: Jos Verstappen's 3rd place in 1994.
- It took 14 races for a driver to unrejectify himself in Montreal: Karl Wendlinger's brilliant 4th place in 1992. It took another 15 races for a driver to repeat the feat: Heikki Kovalainen finishing in the same position in 2007. Timo Glock then unrejectified himself the following year, also finishing 4th. No drivers have unrejectified themselves in Montreal since.
- If it weren't for Tyrrell's disqualification from the 1984 season Brands Hatch would have had no unrejectifications. Martin Brundle would originally have unrejectified himself with his 2nd place in the 1984 Detroit Grand Prix. With disqualification keeping him in reject status Martin had to wait until finishing 5th in the 1986 British Grand Prix, the last time Brands Hatch hosted a Grand Prix, to unrejectify himself.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 21 Dec 2014, 17:07

That was very interesting and well-presented, Simtek. Thank you for all the time and effort that you must have put into that.

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 22 Dec 2014, 07:42

dr-baker wrote:That was very interesting and well-presented, Simtek. Thank you for all the time and effort that you must have put into that.

Sarcasm?