Unusual F1 Stats

Aislabie · Post by **Aislabie** » 15 Jul 2016, 21:24

As of the British Grand Prix, Safety Car driver Bernd Maylander has now led more Grand Prix laps (637) than Jacques Villeneuve (633), putting him at number 31 on the all-time list; next up Carlos Reutemann.

Statistic courtesy of Reddit.

Dj_bereta · Post by **Dj_bereta** » 16 Jul 2016, 00:15

Talking about it, I think this season is close to break the record of most lap under safety car. I believe 2007 holds the record.

Aislabie · Post by **Aislabie** » 16 Jul 2016, 07:46

Dj_bereta wrote:Talking about it, I think this season is close to break the record of most lap under safety car. I believe 2007 holds the record.

26 laps so far, plus a load of VSC. Record by some way is 73 in 2010

Jan Magnussen · Post by **Rob Dylan** » 17 Jul 2016, 12:19

The only thing that makes the current safety car fest worse is that it's actually better than 2010.

They might as well have red flagged Japan and Korea that year, for all the safety car laps they did for no reason.

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 18 Jul 2016, 18:58

However, by other calculation it can be said that Mayländer has led 80 laps in ten races which were started behind SC. (there are total of 11, but one of them before he took the job)

watka · Post by **watka** » 18 Jul 2016, 20:45

Does anyone have the full list of F1 safety car drivers? I think before Bernd Maylander is was Oliver Gavin but beyond that I have no idea. Likewise the medical car? I can see Alan van der Merwe is the current one and Alex Ribiero has done the job too.

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 18 Jul 2016, 21:04

watka wrote:Does anyone have the full list of F1 safety car drivers? I think before Bernd Maylander is was Oliver Gavin but beyond that I have no idea. Likewise the medical car? I can see Alan van der Merwe is the current one and Alex Ribiero has done the job too.

Marcel Fassler also drove the safety car briefly in 2001 when Maylander was ill. And then there is of course the great Eppie Wietzes in the 1973 Canadian Grand Prix...

Peteroli34 · Post by **Peteroli34** » 18 Jul 2016, 23:32

watka wrote:Does anyone have the full list of F1 safety car drivers? I think before Bernd Maylander is was Oliver Gavin but beyond that I have no idea. Likewise the medical car? I can see Alan van der Merwe is the current one and Alex Ribiero has done the job too.

Oliver Gavin was the first official safety car driver, prior to the 1996 Belgian GP, the safety car and i guess the medical car was provided by the track i believe, and that the car and driver would change by the race. Jean Ragnott was the one who hit Taki Inoue at Monaco !995 while Max Angelelli was driving that tragic day in San Marino.

Jan Magnussen · Post by **Rob Dylan** » 23 Jul 2016, 18:47

McLaren lining up 7th and 8th on the grid at the Hungaroring marks the first time they've both been in Q3 since McLaren-Honda's return at the beginning of year.

The last McLaren double-Q3 qualifying finish was the last race of 2014 at Abu Dhabi, which was 30 races ago.

lance_rambert · Post by **lance_rambert** » 24 Jul 2016, 14:32

I've got the bad feeling Nico Rosberg may be the first person to win the first four races of the season and FAIL to win the Driver's Championship.

Dj_bereta · Post by **Dj_bereta** » 24 Jul 2016, 15:14

lance_rambert wrote:I've got the bad feeling Nico Rosberg may be the first person to win the first four races of the season and FAIL to win the Driver's Championship.

I think he has the record of "most races leading the championship without a title" as well.

watka · Post by **watka** » 24 Jul 2016, 17:58

Hungary very much reminded me of Spain, except that the Mercedes drivers didn't take each other out. It seems that the Ferraris and Red Bulls are very much a match for each other, so I thought I'd compare the actual championship against what it would look like without the Mercedes.

Actual:
3rd Daniel Ricciardo - 115pts - no wins
4th Kimi Raikkonen - 114pts - no wins
5th Sebastian Vettel - 110pts - no wins
6th Max Verstappen - 100pts - 1 win (SPA)
7th Valtteri Bottas - 56pts - no wins

2nd Ferrari - 224pts - no wins
3rd Red Bull - 223pts - 1 win
4th Williams - 94pts - no wins

Excluding Mercedes:
1st Daniel Ricciardo - 168pts - 2 wins (MON, HUN)
2nd Sebastian Vettel - 154pts - 4 wins (AUS, CHN, CAN, EUR)
3rd Kimi Raikkonen - 152pts - 2 wins (BHR, RUS)
4th Max Verstappen - 137pts - 3 wins (SPA, AUT, GBR)
5th Valtteri Bottas - 89pts - no wins

1st Ferrari - 306pts - 6 wins
2nd Red Bull - 305pts - 5 wins
3rd Williams - 151pts - no wins

For the record, Rio Haryanto would be the only driver not yet to score (Gutierrez and Palmer would both have 4 points, Ericsson and Nasr would both have 1).
And Romain Grosjean would have been on the podium in Bahrain.

Basically, if you take out Mercedes, a lot of people would be heralding this as a great season.

DonTirri · Post by **DonTirri** » 31 Jul 2016, 21:20

You know watka, I think I did similar math back in 2014 and Halfway through the season the titlefight was between Bottas and Ricciardo...

Anyhow, I started wondering just how "boring" this decade has been when it comes to championship winners, and started checking how this decade thus far stands out when it comes to different champions. At this pace, It'll challenge the most one-sided decades. infact all decades thus far bar 50's and 2000's (which had 5 different champions) have had 7 different champions.

So if Lewis takes his 3rd consecutive title, the best the 2010's can muster is 5 different champions, and that is assuming all remaining titles are taken by anybody not named Vettel or Hamilton.

Waris · Post by **Waris** » 02 Aug 2016, 01:03

At the Hungarian Grand Prix, the podium finished in order of the championship standings.
How many times has this happened? Obviously at the first grand prix of every season, but apart from that?

And what is the largest number of drivers that have finished, or qualified, in order of the championship standings?

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 02 Aug 2016, 01:36

Waris wrote:At the Hungarian Grand Prix, the podium finished in order of the championship standings.
How many times has this happened? Obviously at the first grand prix of every season, but apart from that?

And what is the largest number of drivers that have finished, or qualified, in order of the championship standings?

I don't know about championship standings at the time a race was held, but the top six of the 1973 Monaco Grand Prix finished in the exact order they ended up in the final standings that year, which I think is the most ever.

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 02 Aug 2016, 04:51

Simtek wrote:
Waris wrote:At the Hungarian Grand Prix, the podium finished in order of the championship standings.
How many times has this happened? Obviously at the first grand prix of every season, but apart from that?

And what is the largest number of drivers that have finished, or qualified, in order of the championship standings?

I don't know about championship standings at the time a race was held, but the top six of the 1973 Monaco Grand Prix finished in the exact order they ended up in the final standings that year, which I think is the most ever.

It is the most ever. First runner-up is 2011 Singapore with 5.

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 03 Aug 2016, 14:07

Every time Sainz has finished 8th this year Hamilton was the winner.

Post by **Ataxia** » 05 Aug 2016, 11:12

Since the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the reunification of Germany, F1 has had at least one first-time winner in every (summer) Olympics/European Championships year.

1992 - Michael Schumacher
1996 - Olivier Panis/Jacques Villeneuve
2000 - Rubens Barrichello
2004 - Jarno Trulli
2008 - Heikki Kovalainen/Robert Kubica/Sebastian Vettel
2012 - Nico Rosberg/Pastor Maldonado
2016 - Max Verstappen

TheFlyingCaterham · Post by **TheFlyingCaterham** » 07 Aug 2016, 20:10

Everyone engine make currently competing in F1 has been represented by a constructor of the same name (Ferrari, Mercedes and Renault). When else has this happened?

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 07 Aug 2016, 21:08

TheFlyingCaterham wrote:Everyone engine make currently competing in F1 has been represented by a constructor of the same name (Ferrari, Mercedes and Renault). When else has this happened?

Honda has also previously had their own works team in the 1960s, but without a current full works team, working instead in conjunction with McLaren.

Post by **tommykl** » 07 Aug 2016, 22:32

Romain Grosjean, Daniil Kvyat and Jenson Button have completed at least one lap in every single position this season, except for the race lead.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 07 Aug 2016, 22:45

tommykl wrote:Romain Grosjean, Daniil Kvyat and Jenson Button have completed at least one lap in every single position this season, except for the race lead.

When did Jenson run as high as a podium position? Was it during a pit-stop sequence that I missed/slept through?

Post by **tommykl** » 07 Aug 2016, 22:53

dr-baker wrote:
tommykl wrote:Romain Grosjean, Daniil Kvyat and Jenson Button have completed at least one lap in every single position this season, except for the race lead.

When did Jenson run as high as a podium position? Was it during a pit-stop sequence that I missed/slept through?

In Austria! He qualified third and ran in second place after Hülkenberg's awful start.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 08 Aug 2016, 11:17

tommykl wrote:
dr-baker wrote:
tommykl wrote:Romain Grosjean, Daniil Kvyat and Jenson Button have completed at least one lap in every single position this season, except for the race lead.

When did Jenson run as high as a podium position? Was it during a pit-stop sequence that I missed/slept through?

In Austria! He qualified third and ran in second place after Hülkenberg's awful start.

Oh yeah... Where he actually qualified fifth but started third... :facepalm:

AustralianStig · Post by **AustralianStig** » 10 Aug 2016, 23:46

Is 2016 the first season we've had two drivers named Esteban?

tanel · Post by **tanel** » 11 Aug 2016, 08:21

AustralianStig wrote:Is 2016 the first season we've had two drivers named Esteban?

Probably - considering there have been only three Estebans (Tuero, Gutierrez, Ocon).

EuroBrun · Post by **EuroBrun** » 12 Aug 2016, 07:03

tanel wrote:
AustralianStig wrote:Is 2016 the first season we've had two drivers named Esteban?

Probably - considering there have been only three Estebans (Tuero, Gutierrez, Ocon).

"And out of the Rascasse comes Ernesto Tuero" ... so Ocon and Gutierrez might be the first Estebans we have in F1.

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 13 Aug 2016, 23:29

1972 US Grand Prix: Graham Hill finishes 11th in his last race for Brabham
1992 Hungarian Grand Prix: Damon Hill finishes 11th in his last race for Brabham

Yes, I stole that from the F1 Facebook page...

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 14 Aug 2016, 12:33

Holy... that third bullet point :shock:

Forester · Post by **Forester** » 15 Aug 2016, 16:03

TheFlyingCaterham wrote:Everyone engine make currently competing in F1 has been represented by a constructor of the same name (Ferrari, Mercedes and Renault). When else has this happened?

The first ever World Championship Grand Prix, for a start. Except for Felice Bonetto's Ferrari-Jaguar monster, the V2 engined Cooper, and the two races Scuderia Milano put their own engine into a Maserati, every single entry in the 1950 season even had the same engine and constructor.

There was also 2008, with BMW, Ferrari, Renault, and Toyota each having their own constructors. Again, McLaren provides the only break in the pattern by using Mercedes engines (who owned a 40% stake in the McLaren team at the time).

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 27 Aug 2016, 19:03

good_Ralf wrote:Holy... that third bullet point

Senna won Schumacher's first race and Schumacher won Senna's last race.....

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 30 Aug 2016, 22:07

WeirdKerr wrote:
good_Ralf wrote:Holy... that third bullet point

Senna won Schumacher's first race and Schumacher won Senna's last race.....

Raikkonen won Hamilton's last race. Given the dominance of Mercedes, I wouldn't rule out Hamilton winning Raikkonen's last race either. Same could go for Rosberg and Alonso.

Schumacher won Massa's first race, Massa would have won Schumacher's last race had he remained retired after 2006.

EuroBrun · Post by **EuroBrun** » 04 Sep 2016, 17:25

The top-10 finishers in today's Italian GP are also the current top 10 in the World Drivers' Championship standings.

Jan Magnussen · Post by **Rob Dylan** » 04 Sep 2016, 19:50

The same 10 drivers scored points in Azerbaijan as well...

But more importantly!

Rob Dylan at the end of last year wrote:Nico Rosberg's winning history:
2006-2011 - no wins
2012 - 1 win
2013 - 2 wins
2014 - 5 wins
2015 - 6 wins

Rosberg wins more races every year, so by that rule he should get at least 7 race wins next year?

No need to be impressed guys, I'm just fantastic :deletraz:

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 04 Sep 2016, 22:49

Here's something for people with more free time than me to work out:

Has there ever been a title-winning driver who's won more races in a season where they didn't win the title, compared to when they did?

Only one I can think of is Keke Rosberg (2 wins in 1985), but are there any others?

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 04 Sep 2016, 23:11

AndreaModa wrote:Here's something for people with more free time than me to work out:

Has there ever been a title-winning driver who's won more races in a season where they didn't win the title, compared to when they did?

Only one I can think of is Keke Rosberg (2 wins in 1985), but are there any others?

A quick search has revealed:

Niki Lauda - 5 wins in 1976 vs. 3 in 1977
Nelson Piquet - 4 wins in 1986 vs. 3 in all three of his title-winning years
Alain Prost - 7 wins in 1984 & 1988 vs. 5 in 1985 and 4 in 1986 & 1989. Also took 5 wins in 1990, surpassing the latter two again
Michael Schumacher - 7 wins in 2006 vs. 6 in 2003
Kimi Raikkonen - 7 wins in 2005 vs. 6 in 2007

And that, I believe, is it.

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 05 Sep 2016, 17:18

There are few who share the honors with their championship year. Anyway, I included here drivers whose best season in wins was not championship-winning year (shared honors included)

Hawthorn (shared, 1 win each in -53, -54, -58)
Surtees (shared, 2 wins each in -64, -66)
Hulme (shared, 2 wins each in -67, -68)
Scheckter (shared, 3 wins each in -77, -79)
Lauda (shared, 5 wins each in -75, -76, -84)
Rosberg (2 wins in -85 vs 1 win -82)
Piquet (4 wins in -86 vs 3 wins in -81, -83, -87)
Prost (shared, 7 wins each in -84, -88, -93)
Räikkönen (7 wins in -05 vs 6 wins in -07)

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 10 Sep 2016, 16:28

List of races where none of the finishers had previously won a world championship race

1950 British Grand Prix (obviously)
1950 Monaco Grand Prix (thank the Mediterranean Sea for that)
1950 Indianapolis 500 (again, obvious)
1951 Indianapolis 500 (tough race to finish)
1952 Swiss Grand Prix (Ascari off in America, Fangio and González apparently not into the whole F2 thing after losing their chances with BRM, Farina losing an apparently easy win to mechanical trouble)
1953 Indianapolis 500
1955 Indianapolis 500 (poor Bill)
1959 Indianapolis 500
1960 Italian Grand Prix (only race since 1950 not to have a single previous winner on the grid thanks to the boycott)
1966 Italian Grand Prix (Baghetti was a non-classified finisher)

List of races (apart from the above) where none of the top three had previously won a world championship race

1952 Indianapolis 500
1955 Monaco Grand Prix (what a crazy race that was)
1956 Indianapolis 500
1957 Indianapolis 500
1958 Indianapolis 500
1961 French Grand Prix
1962 French Grand Prix
1964 Austrian Grand Prix
1971 Italian Grand Prix (everyone in that epic slipstreaming battle could have been a first-time Grand Prix winner)
1974 Swedish Grand Prix
1976 Austrian Grand Prix
1995 Canadian Grand Prix
2006 Hungarian Grand Prix
2007 Canadian Grand Prix

Aislabie · Post by **Aislabie** » 10 Sep 2016, 17:29

A pointless stat, which I suppose could be used to argue which drivers made the most of their title opportunities.

Mike Hawthorn -- 1 Championship, 3 GP wins -- 3.00
Phil Hill -- 1 Championship, 3 GP wins -- 3.00
Jack Brabham -- 3 Championships, 14 GP wins -- 4.67
Juan Manuel Fangio -- 5 Championships, 24 GP wins -- 4.80
Giuseppe Farina -- 1 Championship, 5 GP wins -- 5.00
Keke Rosberg -- 1 Championship, 5 GP wins -- 5.00
Jochen Rindt -- 1 Championship, 6 GP wins -- 6.00
John Surtees -- 1 Championship, 6 GP wins -- 6.00
Alberto Ascari -- 2 Championships, 13 GP wins -- 6.50
Emerson Fittipaldi -- 2 Championships, 14 wins -- 7.00
Graham Hill -- 2 Championships, 14 wins -- 7.00
Nelson Piquet -- 3 Championships, 23 GP wins -- 7.67
Denny Hulme -- 1 Championship, 8 GP wins -- 8.00
Niki Lauda -- 3 Championships, 25 GP wins -- 8.33
Jackie Stewart -- 3 Championships, 27 GP wins -- 9.00
Mika Hakkinen -- 2 Championships, 20 GP wins -- 10.00
James Hunt -- 1 Championship, 10 GP wins -- 10.00
Jody Scheckter -- 1 Championship, 10 GP wins -- 10.00
Sebastian Vettel -- 4 Championships, 42 wins -- 10.50
Jacques Villeneuve -- 1 Championship, 11 GP wins -- 11.00
Mario Andretti -- 1 Championship, 12 GP wins -- 12.00
Alan Jones -- 1 Championship, 12 GP wins -- 12.00
Jim Clark -- 2 Championships, 25 GP wins -- 12.50
Alain Prost -- 4 Championships, 51 GP wins -- 12.75
Michael Schumacher -- 7 Championships, 91 GP wins -- 13.00
Ayrton Senna -- 3 Championships, 41 GP wins -- 13.67
Jenson Button -- 1 Championship, 15 GP wins -- 15.00
Fernando Alonso -- 2 Championships, 32 GP wins -- 16.00
Lewis Hamilton -- 3 Championships, 49 GP wins -- 16.33
Kimi Raikkonen -- 1 Championship, 20 GP wins -- 20.00
Damon Hill -- 1 Championship, 22 GP wins -- 22.00
Nigel Mansell -- 1 Championship, 31 GP wins -- 31.00
Stirling Moss -- 0 Championships, 16 GP wins -- n/a
Nico Rosberg -- 0 Championships, 21 GP wins -- n/a

For me, it's most interesting to look for the drivers who are anomalous for their era; those that stand out to me are Stirling Moss, Keke Rosberg, Nigel Mansell, Damon Hill and Nico Rosberg.

AustralianStig · Post by **AustralianStig** » 10 Sep 2016, 22:53

Aislabie wrote:[b]A pointless stat, which I suppose could be used to argue which drivers made the most of their title opportunities.
[Much statistics]

I'd be interested to see how that would pan out if you did it as a percentage of races won - it'd be much harder to win a championship in a 21 race season with only a handful of victories than in a 9 race season.