trivia question....

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 19 May 2009, 19:46

Who is the driver to have led the most laps in the last 10 years but has never won, got points or fastest lap at a grand prix ?

Ben Gilbert · Post by **Ben Gilbert** » 19 May 2009, 20:17

I'd say Markus Winkelhock, but surely this isn't in the right forum?

tristan1117 · Post by **tristan1117** » 19 May 2009, 20:24

Maybe there should be a trivia forum. As for the question, no idea.

Pedro_Diniz · Post by **Pedro_Diniz** » 19 May 2009, 20:40

Bernd Maylander

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 19 May 2009, 20:49

correct..... trick question i know......

All done while driving the saftey car.... I'd love to see him in an F1 car....

Pedro_Diniz · Post by **Pedro_Diniz** » 19 May 2009, 20:51

Hurrah!

I don't suppose there's a prize involved?

Niallllll · Post by **Niallllll** » 19 May 2009, 22:39

Ah damn, didn't see this one in time. Although I would put forward my vote for a trivia forum or at least a trivia thread!!!!

Popi_Larrauri · Post by **Popi_Larrauri** » 20 May 2009, 01:32

Beside capsious answers, Markus is not far away for geting that crown, If the contest would have taken 20 years instead of 10... would have been... Ivan Capelli?

thehemogoblin · Post by **thehemogoblin** » 20 May 2009, 02:49

Popi_Larrauri wrote:Beside capsious answers, Markus is not far away for geting that crown, If the contest would have taken 20 years instead of 10... would have been... Ivan Capelli?

Nay. Capelli got points in 1992 (somehow). Therefore, he's ineligible until 2012 or so.

minrdi · Post by **minrdi** » 20 May 2009, 02:50

Aside from the Bernd Maylander answer :lol:

, Markus Winkelhock IS actually the only driver in the last 20 seasons to meet the criteria of leading a race without earning a race win, a championship point or setting a fastest race lap.

Amazingly there are just 42 drivers who have lead a race lap in the last 20 seasons, according to statsf1.com.

Pedro_Diniz · Post by **Pedro_Diniz** » 20 May 2009, 07:51

minrdi wrote:Amazingly there are just 42 drivers who have lead a race lap in the last 20 seasons, according to statsf1.com.

That's shocking, although considering the domination of certain teams in recent seasons it's not wholly unbelievable.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 20 May 2009, 08:09

minrdi wrote:Amazingly there are just 42 drivers who have lead a race lap in the last 20 seasons, according to statsf1.com.

Only 42?

But as PD said considering the dominance of certain teams (Williams, Ferrari, McLaren and Bennaton) it's not totally unbelieveable and it also shows just how far and few between freak results like this year are.

noisebox · Post by **noisebox** » 20 May 2009, 08:27

thehemogoblin wrote:
Popi_Larrauri wrote:Beside capsious answers, Markus is not far away for geting that crown, If the contest would have taken 20 years instead of 10... would have been... Ivan Capelli?

Nay. Capelli got points in 1992 (somehow). Therefore, he's ineligible until 2012 or so.

He was second for Leyton House/March in 1989 at Paul Ricard.

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 20 May 2009, 10:38

Of the current drivers, only Buemi, Nakajima and Sutil have never led a race.

Nakajima has been running 2nd, Buemi and Sutil 4th at best so far.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 20 May 2009, 10:54

Bleu wrote:Of the current drivers, only Buemi, Nakajima and Sutil have never led a race.

Nakajima has been running 2nd, Buemi and Sutil 4th at best so far.

When did Nakajima run 2nd?

Life w12 · Post by **Life w12** » 20 May 2009, 12:54

Wizzie wrote:
Bleu wrote:Of the current drivers, only Buemi, Nakajima and Sutil have never led a race.

Nakajima has been running 2nd, Buemi and Sutil 4th at best so far.

When did Nakajima run 2nd?

Before he hit the guardrail

BabyG · Post by **BabyG** » 20 May 2009, 14:08

Bleu wrote:Of the current drivers, only Buemi, Nakajima and Sutil have never led a race.

Nakajima has been running 2nd, Buemi and Sutil 4th at best so far.

When did Piquet and Bourdais lead? I can imagine Piquet leading at Hockenheim during a round of pit stops or something, but Bourdais I'm struggling with.

noisebox · Post by **noisebox** » 20 May 2009, 14:21

BabyG wrote:When did Piquet and Bourdais lead? I can imagine Piquet leading at Hockenheim during a round of pit stops or something, but Bourdais I'm struggling with.

Bourdais - laps 22, 23 and 24 of the Japanese GP last year

RejectSteve · Post by **RejectSteve** » 20 May 2009, 16:31

Another interesting fact I picked up from statsF1 is that Jarno Trulli now has the all-time lead in first lap retirements.

thehemogoblin · Post by **thehemogoblin** » 20 May 2009, 16:40

RejectSteve wrote:Another interesting fact I picked up from statsF1 is that Jarno Trulli now has the all-time lead in first lap retirements.

Not this year, though... Here's to you, Heikki Kovalainen.

Pedro_Diniz · Post by **Pedro_Diniz** » 20 May 2009, 17:26

BabyG wrote:
Bleu wrote:Of the current drivers, only Buemi, Nakajima and Sutil have never led a race.

Nakajima has been running 2nd, Buemi and Sutil 4th at best so far.

When did Piquet and Bourdais lead? I can imagine Piquet leading at Hockenheim during a round of pit stops or something, but Bourdais I'm struggling with.

Yep, I think it was Hockenhiem 2008, where he finished 2nd.

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 20 May 2009, 17:36

Nakajima was 2nd for a while in Canadian GP last year. After top runners pitted under safety car (and Hamilton crashed into Räikkönen), order was Heidfeld, Barrichello, Nakajima, Webber, Coulthard, Trulli, Glock, Fisichella and Vettel.

Heidfeld pitted on lap 29 giving Rubens the lead and Nakajima 2nd. Kazuki pitted on lap 33 and dropped back. Coulthard, Trulli and Glock also led the race for a short time.

deCrasheris · Post by **deCrasheris** » 20 May 2009, 18:02

Pedro_Diniz wrote:
BabyG wrote:
Bleu wrote:Of the current drivers, only Buemi, Nakajima and Sutil have never led a race.

Nakajima has been running 2nd, Buemi and Sutil 4th at best so far.

When did Piquet and Bourdais lead? I can imagine Piquet leading at Hockenheim during a round of pit stops or something, but Bourdais I'm struggling with.

Yep, I think it was Hockenhiem 2008, where he finished 2nd.

I thought it was at the Hungarian Gp where Piquet finished 2nd, lead laps and avoided reject status all at once due to pit strategy.

Pedro_Diniz · Post by **Pedro_Diniz** » 20 May 2009, 18:21

definitely the German Grand Prix, though he did score more points at the Hungarian Grand Prix, which followed it.

deCrasheris · Post by **deCrasheris** » 20 May 2009, 18:42

Yep it was the German Gp. My bad. piquet did finish 6th in that race and he finished 4th in the Japanese GP. I think i was confusing one nearly impossible trace to pass on with another. I think i'm having an off day today with my stats

Pedro_Diniz · Post by **Pedro_Diniz** » 20 May 2009, 18:46

deCrasheris wrote:I think i'm having an off day today with my stats

That must be what Piquet radios back to the pits each time he has an "excursion" :lol:

Popi_Larrauri · Post by **Popi_Larrauri** » 20 May 2009, 21:32

noisebox wrote:
thehemogoblin wrote:
Popi_Larrauri wrote:Beside capsious answers, Markus is not far away for geting that crown, If the contest would have taken 20 years instead of 10... would have been... Ivan Capelli?

Nay. Capelli got points in 1992 (somehow). Therefore, he's ineligible until 2012 or so.

He was second for Leyton House/March in 1989 at Paul Ricard.

In fact, It was in 1990, a race he leaded until the very last laps (where he lost the lead to the Professor), but I didn´t read that the initial post said "No wins NEITHER points". My apologies.

But... coming to "top winless driver with more leading laps" matter, should be Capelli for the last 20 years, thanks to last Paul Ricard race in 1990. Or so i guess.

Kudos.

Popi_Larrauri · Post by **Popi_Larrauri** » 20 May 2009, 21:34

[/quote]

Yep, I think it was Hockenhiem 2008, where he finished 2nd.[/quote]
I thought it was at the Hungarian Gp where Piquet finished 2nd, lead laps and avoided reject status all at once due to pit strategy.[/quote]

Quiet unfair, indeed.

Ross Prawn · Post by **Ross Prawn** » 20 May 2009, 23:59

Ok, so who has done the most laps in 4th place in a GP over the last ten years. :geek:

Popi_Larrauri · Post by **Popi_Larrauri** » 21 May 2009, 12:40

Ross Prawn wrote:Ok, so who has done the most laps in 4th place in a GP over the last ten years.

I put my money on Frentzen. In 1999 he spended most of his time in that position.

Paul Hayes · Post by **Paul Hayes** » 21 May 2009, 12:48

I'd guess Button, he was always finishing 4th in the early part of this decade.

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 21 May 2009, 14:20

I started work on that, may take a little time.
Here's 1999 stats (from Spanish GP onwards, because 10 years back goes between Monaco and Spain that year)

Code: Select all

FRE   199
IRV   121
RSC   108
BAR   60
MSC   47
COU   46
HÄK   41
FIS   35
HER   21
PAN   15
TRU   11
ZAN   11
ALE   3
BAD   3

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 21 May 2009, 15:32

2000 laps

Code: Select all

BAR   252
HÄK   125
RSC   121
VIL   119
FRE   88
COU   85
FIS   49
TRU   49
DLR   38
VER   27
IRV   25
BUT   25
SAL   20
WUR   14
ALE   10
ZON   9
MSC   7
HER   5
MAZ   4

Total

Code: Select all

BAR   312
FRE   287
RSC   229
HÄK   166
IRV   146
COU   131
VIL   119
FIS   84
TRU   60
MSC   54
DLR   38
VER   27
HER   26
BUT   25
SAL   20
PAN   15
WUR   14
ALE   13
ZAN   11
ZON   9
MAZ   4
BAD   3

midgrid · Post by **midgrid** » 21 May 2009, 16:41

Rubens Barrichello?

(EDIT: I didn't go on this page when I wrote that, so I didn't see the statistics.

)

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 21 May 2009, 20:49

2001 stats:

Code: Select all

RSC   214
COU   169
HÄK   115
TRU   112
MON   88
BAR   68
RÄI   60
MSC   54
IRV   49
VIL   41
PAN   35
FRE   20
FIS   20
VER   11
HEI   8

1999-2001

Code: Select all

RSC   439
BAR   384
COU   322
FRE   312
HÄK   281
IRV   180
VIL   160
TRU   157
MSC   108
FIS   106
MON   88
RÄI   60
PAN   50
VER   39
DLR   38
HER   26
BUT   25
SAL   20
WUR   14
ALE   13
ZAN   11
ZON   9
HEI   8
MAZ   4
BAD   3

sailer 99 · Post by **sailer 99** » 22 May 2009, 01:36

If they spent anytime in 4th place Kimi would have run into the back of them

Ross Prawn · Post by **Ross Prawn** » 22 May 2009, 09:34

Sorry, typing error, I meant to ask about 5th place.

(After all, who would care about 4th! )

Ben Gilbert · Post by **Ben Gilbert** » 22 May 2009, 11:23

Ross Prawn wrote:Sorry, typing error, I meant to ask about 5th place.

(After all, who would care about 4th! )

Most F1 drivers would care: It's the position they need to get to avoid rejectdom on this site!

Waris · Post by **Waris** » 23 May 2009, 17:40

Ben Gilbert wrote:
Ross Prawn wrote:Sorry, typing error, I meant to ask about 5th place.

(After all, who would care about 4th! )

Most F1 drivers would care: It's the position they need to get to avoid rejectdom on this site!

Sure, besides, he can't be serious! I want to see Bleu figure it out up until 2009. :lol:

Also, I'm sure Cristiano da Matta has led a lap. Is this true?

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 23 May 2009, 19:32

Waris wrote:
Ben Gilbert wrote:
Ross Prawn wrote:Sorry, typing error, I meant to ask about 5th place.

(After all, who would care about 4th! )

Most F1 drivers would care: It's the position they need to get to avoid rejectdom on this site!

Sure, besides, he can't be serious! I want to see Bleu figure it out up until 2009.

Also, I'm sure Cristiano da Matta has led a lap. Is this true?

Yes. da Matta led 17 laps I think in Silverstone 2003. He pitted during first SC which was caused when DC lost something his cockpit protection and they were shattered on the track. After that it was only two laps or so before Neil Horan ran to the track. Rest of the drivers pitted and da Matta moved to the lead, having not lost significant amount of time in those green flag laps after first SC.