Potential 2nd Generation Reject

SDHammer · Post by **SDHammer** » 10 May 2010, 14:15

I was bored at work so I went wikipedia motorsport browsing and stumbled apon the 2010 Formula Lista Junior championship.

Anyway among the entries I spotted the following

25. Roy Nissany

It couldn't be could it?

Son of Channoch.

Could he be the first ever 2nd generation reject?

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 10 May 2010, 14:40

Nope. Because Nissany Snr isn't a reject I'm afraid...

f1-gast · Post by **f1-gast** » 10 May 2010, 14:45

Well Nissany jr isn't that bad to be honnest with you.

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 10 May 2010, 15:55

SDHammer wrote:Could he be the first ever 2nd generation reject?

Markus Winkelhock, ever heard of that one? :mrgreen:

coops · Post by **coops** » 10 May 2010, 16:44

Er, Bruno Senna? Techinically, he's a generation along from Ayrton.

(I know, I know, I'll wait til hes dropped then I'll post it again)

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 10 May 2010, 22:05

coops wrote:Er, Bruno Senna? Techinically, he's a generation along from Ayrton.

(I know, I know, I'll wait til hes dropped then I'll post it again)

Klon wrote:
SDHammer wrote:Could he be the first ever 2nd generation reject?

Markus Winkelhock, ever heard of that one?

Both are correct (ATM at least!)

Enforcer · Post by **Enforcer** » 10 May 2010, 23:35

Dunno, "2nd generation reject" implies reject son of a reject.

Leaving aside that Bruno is Aryton's nephew, not his son, Ayrton quite simply isn't a reject. Statistically, there are only two, maybe three drivers less rejectful than Ayrton.

That would make Markus, son of Manfred Winkelhock the only one.

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 11 May 2010, 06:01

Manfred Winkelhock has to be one of the most unluckiest rejects. He had two points already and then finished sixth in San Marino 1982 (the boycott race), then disqualified for car being underweight. Also, that meant that no one got that sixth place because only one who finished behind him, Teo Fabi, didn't complete 90% of the laps.

coops · Post by **coops** » 11 May 2010, 07:14

Enforcer wrote:Dunno, "2nd generation reject" implies reject son of a reject.
Leaving aside that Bruno is Aryton's nephew, not his son, Ayrton quite simply isn't a reject.

Doh! You're right and I didnt read the thread properly. I'll get my coat...

eytl · Post by **eytl** » 11 May 2010, 09:41

SDHammer wrote:I was bored at work so I went wikipedia motorsport browsing and stumbled apon the 2010 Formula Lista Junior championship.

Anyway among the entries I spotted the following

25. Roy Nissany

It couldn't be could it?

Son of Channoch.

Could he be the first ever 2nd generation reject?

Discussed at length in the Chinese GP podcast ... unless you haven't listened to it!!! :shock:

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 11 May 2010, 10:43

On the subject of Markus Winklehock, is he the only reject to have led a race by at least 30 seconds?

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 11 May 2010, 10:56

dr-baker wrote:On the subject of Markus Winklehock, is he the only reject to have led a race by at least 30 seconds?

I believe he's the only reject ever to lead a race period. Someone is bound to prove me wrong though.

EDIT: I just thought about this... did Liuzzi lead last year's Italian GP at any point in the race before his transmission packed up?

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 11 May 2010, 11:02

Wizzie wrote:
dr-baker wrote:On the subject of Markus Winklehock, is he the only reject to have led a race by at least 30 seconds?

I believe he's the only reject ever to lead a race period. Someone is bound to prove me wrong though.

EDIT: I just thought about this... did Liuzzi lead last year's Italian GP at any point in the race before his transmission packed up?

He was fourth behind Brawns and Hamilton.

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 11 May 2010, 11:15

I've taken a look and come up with rejects who've lead a race in order of how long they've been on P1

* Antonio Pizzonia (yes, he is...)
* Sébastien Bourdais
* Markus Winkelhock

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 11 May 2010, 11:22

Klon wrote:I've taken a look and come up with rejects who've lead a race in order of how long they've been on P1

* Antonio Pizzonia (yes, he is...)
* Sébastien Bourdais

I think know where Pizzonia led but I just can't remember the year (Was it Belgium 04 or 05?) but where the hell did Bourdais lead?

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 11 May 2010, 11:28

Wizzie wrote:
Klon wrote:I've taken a look and come up with rejects who've lead a race in order of how long they've been on P1

* Antonio Pizzonia (yes, he is...)
* Sébastien Bourdais

I think know where Pizzonia led but I just can't remember the year (Was it Belgium 04 or 05?) but where the hell did Bourdais lead?

It was Belgium 04 and Borudais led in Fuji two years ago

Pieman · Post by **Pieman** » 11 May 2010, 14:09

David Purley briefly led a Belgian GP (possibly in the infamous Lec) during a round of tyre stops in the wet.

Waris · Post by **Waris** » 16 May 2010, 17:41

He wouldn't exactly be a second generation reject, but... Alessandro Vita Kouzkin

Pointrox · Post by **Pointrox** » 16 May 2010, 20:56

Hm, I think having a father who was a boss of the most rejectful team in the '90s is enough for being a reject son

I think we should mention Bas, Jan Lammers' son.

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 16 May 2010, 23:37

Pointrox wrote:Hm, I think having a father who was a boss of the most rejectful team in the history of mankind is enough for being a reject son

I think we should mention Bas, Jan Lammers' son.

Fixed that for you. Maybe we should start a collection on these reject's offspring. I can immediately think of Jeroen Bleekemolen and Justin Bell...

f1-gast · Post by **f1-gast** » 17 May 2010, 09:03

Don't forget Sebastiaan Bleekemolen.

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 23 May 2010, 12:58

Kevin Magnussen won F3 Euro Series race at Valencia today (Ricardo Tormo circuit), in his first weekend in the series. Let's see if he goes to follow his father's footsteps by brilliant junior formula career and then complete failure in F1.

Ferrim · Post by **Ferrim** » 23 May 2010, 21:45

Klon wrote:
Wizzie wrote:
Klon wrote:I've taken a look and come up with rejects who've lead a race in order of how long they've been on P1

* Antonio Pizzonia (yes, he is...)
* Sébastien Bourdais

I think know where Pizzonia led but I just can't remember the year (Was it Belgium 04 or 05?) but where the hell did Bourdais lead?

It was Belgium 04 and Borudais led in Fuji two years ago

I had to search for that race (the Fuji one I mean) because I couldn't believe it :mrgreen:

That's a pretty rejectful race! Reject start, reject moves by the championship contenders, Piquet leading for seven (!) laps, Trulli leading for Toyota in two different stages (Toyota leading is rejectful on itself)...

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 13 Jun 2010, 18:16

We can add Sebastien Buemi to reject leaders now.

Waris · Post by **Waris** » 09 Jul 2010, 08:31

I vaguely remember Cristiano da Matta leading a race (Britain 2003?) but he's probably not a reject.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 09 Jul 2010, 09:23

Waris wrote:I vaguely remember Cristiano da Matta leading a race (Britain 2003?) but he's probably not a reject.

I thought he was a reject before some basic research told me he escaped Rejectdom at the 2004 Monaco Grand Prix

Waris · Post by **Waris** » 11 Jul 2010, 16:48

Wizzie wrote:
Waris wrote:I vaguely remember Cristiano da Matta leading a race (Britain 2003?) but he's probably not a reject.

I thought he was a reject before some basic research told me he escaped Rejectdom at the 2004 Monaco Grand Prix

Oh, I see.

Mister Fungus · Post by **Mister Fungus** » 11 Jul 2010, 17:44

Buemi is still a reject and he led for a lap in Canada.

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