Your Reject of the Race - Monaco!

Frentzen127 · Post by **Frentzen127** » 29 May 2011, 18:42

James1978 wrote:the only difference was Schumacher was wise enough to co-operate

As if drivers were supposed to.

I thought Di Resta's penalty was outrageous, since nothing other than the change in order had happened. But when that benchmark was set, I thought it was fair for Hamilton to get a penalty as well, his move was as stupid as Paul's had been after all.
The point is, you can't simply excuse him, he was trying to overtake and placing the blame on the other drivers because they didn't cooperate - as if they were supposed to, doesn't take away the fact that he was a complete and total tool all around during the weekend. A few moves he managed to pull off but there's a fine line between aggressiveness and being a twat behind the wheel, and he crossed it. Don't fool yourself, I love him today because of all the action and mayhem he contributed to the race, and everybody wants to see overtaking, but what Lewis did, particularly in Maldonado's case, hardly counts as such.
ROTR to him IMO. The stewards were admittedly a bit too stringent today, but at least they were uniform and consistent rather than volatile, so that's to their credit.

GroupLotusRenault · Post by **GroupLotusRenault** » 29 May 2011, 18:49

eytl wrote:
patrick wrote:I thought he'd matured

So did I. Three steps back, and first really poor character boo-boo since his hooning and petulant radio messages in Australia last year.

Like most F1 drivers these days if he doesnt get his way he has a fisssy hit and acts like a spoilt brat. Hamilton for ROTR but also the FIA for the red flag and letting the teams change tires during the red flag.

Barbazza · Post by **Barbazza** » 29 May 2011, 18:53

This'll be a huge surprise...

1) Hamilton, for whinging in Quali and claiming Massa had got in the way (he didn't)
2) Hamilton, for trying to push Massa off the track in a move that might work on the Playstation but that for real even Andrea De Cesaris didn't manage without causing a huge traffic jam
3) Hamilton, for ruining Maldonado's race in yet another stupidly impatient move. How come everyone else (bar Paul Di Resta I suppose) was managing to overtake people sensibly?
4) Hamilton, for coming out with the biggest pile of shite I've ever heard as an excuse for an abysmal performance. If it was football that'd be a 5 match ban for bringing the sport into disrepute but what's the betting he gets away with it?

So, in summary, as I've been saying for a long time, Hamilton - YOU.ARE.A.TIT!

The only other thing that annoyed me was Alguesuari getting involved in that pile up - he was getting lapped wasn't he? I'm sure he was behind Buemi in the race but ahead of him on the road when he crashed.

DOSBoot · Post by **DOSBoot** » 29 May 2011, 19:18

Like the others, I nominate Lewis Hamilton. Hearing him blame Massa for his mistake is just a disgrace. Some say he's maturing, but to me, he's just the same arrogant guy he's always been.

Dan B · Post by **Dan B** » 29 May 2011, 19:22

DOSBoot wrote:Like the others, I nominate Lewis Hamilton. Hearing him blame Massa for his mistake is just a disgrace. Some say he's maturing, but to me, he's just the same arrogant guy he's always been.

I thought he was maturing, and I started to tolerate him this year, yet after this race, all the respect I had from him is gone.

Here is hoping the FIA does levy more penalties against him.

theshoo · Post by **theshoo** » 29 May 2011, 19:35

Hamilton. At the very least for dragging poor Ali G into the mix.

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 29 May 2011, 19:36

redbulljack14 wrote:
East Londoner wrote:This is academic. Hamilton for acting like an arse throughout the race.

This

This too!

DOSBoot · Post by **DOSBoot** » 29 May 2011, 19:40

Dan B wrote:
DOSBoot wrote:Like the others, I nominate Lewis Hamilton. Hearing him blame Massa for his mistake is just a disgrace. Some say he's maturing, but to me, he's just the same arrogant guy he's always been.

I thought he was maturing, and I started to tolerate him this year, yet after this race, all the respect I had from him is gone.

Here is hoping the FIA does levy more penalties against him.

Even last year when his "maturity" was taking place, you could still hear some nasty comments from him through the radio. (Like at Monaco last year for example.)

DonTirri · Post by **DonTirri** » 29 May 2011, 19:42

LEWIS HAMILTON

Not only was his antics in the race so amateurish he should be stripped of his superlicense... but pulling the race card? really? I mean.. really? Joke or not, the race card is something that gets pulled when you run out of excuses and are too stupid to look in the mirror.

secondary nomination to Eytl if he doesn't RotR Hamilton.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 29 May 2011, 20:07

To be honest, even if I can see the arguement for nominating Hamilton, I would rather nominate either Button's failure to win due to unfortunate timings of the safety cars/red flags, or having the race restart after the red flag. Even after 19/20 years, people still reminise about the Senna/Mansell battle round these Monaco streets. For more laps this year, we had Vettel, Alonso AND Button all equally battling as hard, even if there was to be only as much overtaking as there was between Mansell and Senna 2 decades ago. As it turned out, the last five or six laps turned that enthralling battle into a damp squib. In the end, will it be talked about as Senna and Mansell still is? I doubt it.

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 29 May 2011, 20:08

DonTirri wrote:LEWIS HAMILTON

Not only was his antics in the race so amateurish he should be stripped of his superlicense... but pulling the race card? really? I mean.. really? Joke or not, the race card is something that gets pulled when you run out of excuses and are too stupid to look in the mirror.

secondary nomination to Eytl if he doesn't RotR Hamilton.

I don't think I've ever wanted to buy you a beer before. Probably better put than anything else I've seen in this thread.

Pedestrian · Post by **Pedestrian** » 29 May 2011, 20:12

My nomination is for Hamilton too. For what he did to Maldonado in particular, and for his whole race in general.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 29 May 2011, 20:22

As a joke nomination, I would like to nominate my neighbours' brother/brother-in-law (the wife's brother, the husband's brother-in-law) for RotR. Why? Because he turned down a totally free trip to the Monaco Grand Prix with hospitality box and stuff.

(But there again, he did have a good reason to do so. It was his niece/my neighbours' daughter's christening today. The offer is open for him to go to Monaco, whereas today's christening is a one-off, isn't it.)

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 29 May 2011, 21:04

Lewis Hamilton - He had bad luck all weekend...except when it came to rest against the barriers, which would have been his just desserts for the most idiotic drive of the season so far. And his declarations at the interview after the race, as well as his voice tone (and, by the way, that silly sort of beard he has around his face), were ridiculous and arrogant, blaming the others for incidents that were clearly his fault and doing an inadequate joke saying he was punished because he was black (after saying the marshalling job with him was a joke, for this and all the other races bar one). And he deprived Maldonado of some well earned points just when the guy finally looked seriously impressive and not just a pay driver.

Archie2K · Post by **Archie2K** » 29 May 2011, 21:06

Hamilton. 'Nuff said.

However, Alguersuari rams the back of Hamilton after the latter's mouthing off about Toro Rosso drivers' lack of impartiality when it come to being lapped, brings out the red flags, thus ensuring a Vettel victory when another 7 laps and I'm sure Alonso and/or Button would've got past.

...I'm standing.

eytl · Post by **eytl** » 29 May 2011, 21:19

theshoo wrote:Hamilton. At the very least for dragging poor Ali G into the mix.

DonTirri wrote:LEWIS HAMILTON

Not only was his antics in the race so amateurish he should be stripped of his superlicense... but pulling the race card? really? I mean.. really? Joke or not, the race card is something that gets pulled when you run out of excuses and are too stupid to look in the mirror.

secondary nomination to Eytl if he doesn't RotR Hamilton.

I think I'm safe.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 29 May 2011, 21:43

eytl wrote:I think I'm safe.

Good boy Enoch.

patrick · Post by **patrick** » 29 May 2011, 21:49

eytl wrote:I think I'm safe.

No! don't bow to the pressure! I'm sure there's something beautifully abstract to be crowned RotR!
I noticed Joe Saward getting in the way of Martin Brundle's gridwalk, how about that? I'm sure it would please some of our number :lol:

jpm · Post by **jpm** » 29 May 2011, 22:15

Lewis need look no further for how to be a gracious loser than JR Hildebrand's post race interviews from the Indy 500

Warren Hughes · Post by **Warren Hughes** » 29 May 2011, 22:59

Having just watched the forum on the iPlayer, I would like to nominate David Coulthard for ROTR for forgetting Christian Klien's name.

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 29 May 2011, 23:01

Warren Hughes wrote:Having just watched the forum on the iPlayer, I would like to nominate David Coulthard for ROTR for forgetting Christian Klien's name.

Cut Coulthard some slack, I'm pretty sure most of us would have as well if he didn't drive for HRT at one point.

Warren Hughes · Post by **Warren Hughes** » 29 May 2011, 23:03

Cynon wrote:
Warren Hughes wrote:Having just watched the forum on the iPlayer, I would like to nominate David Coulthard for ROTR for forgetting Christian Klien's name.

Cut Coulthard some slack, I'm pretty sure most of us would have as well if he didn't drive for HRT at one point.

Maybe, but he was his team-mate for most of 2005 and all of 2006.

Ross Prawn · Post by **Ross Prawn** » 29 May 2011, 23:06

Vettell for just being too lucky all weekend. Everytime he was in trouble someone crashed and saved him.

Hamilton of course. It's all been said. He was very unlucky but driving and talking like a spoilt child did not help.

Guzuky · Post by **Guzuky** » 29 May 2011, 23:17

And to add insult to injury:

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/ ... 12118.html

Penalty didn't strip Hamilton of his 6th place or points. As the said in Fox Sports (or Fox Deportes), Hamilton is the specialist in getting penalties that don't mean anything afterwards...

Benetton · Post by **Benetton** » 30 May 2011, 00:04

Since everyone is nominating Hamilton (and with good reason) I give my vote to Jaime Alguersuari. He absolutely sucked the whole weekend and was IMO the one that caused the race to be red flagged - I might be wrong though, have to look at a replay once more, but it was him who used Hamilton as a springboard which then took Petrov out so.. rejectful quali and race.

And while I don't want to defend Hamilton, especially his lame comments after the race, he atleast showed racers aggressions ala Senna and showed he cares and wants to utilize every gap possible. The Massa accident was 50-50 IMO but the Maldonado one was just classless, Pastor had the line to that corner and Lewis should have braked.

S951 · Post by **S951** » 30 May 2011, 00:59

even though we have a clear inner my vote is the ham

Myrvold · Post by **Myrvold** » 30 May 2011, 01:26

Hamilton.

tkcom · Post by **tkcom** » 30 May 2011, 01:59

McLaren Severe brain fade by the whole team from qualifying to the final lap. Not sending Lewis out early in Q3 before Perez crash. Lewis cutting the chicane in Q that led to no set time. 3 stops were way too many for Button. (and the whole Whamilton carnage, of course)

Also, FIA almost got my vote. It was painful to watch teams fiddling with their cars during red flag while going beyond 2 hours limit. I had to check the regulations to learn that they had every right to do so (see 41.4).

Peter · Post by **Peter** » 30 May 2011, 02:42

Hamilton. Got into trouble the entire race. And he hit the Pastor while he was in 6th!!!!!! I was starting to like Maldonado and he was proving me very wrong. Give me a butter knife and lemme at him :evil:

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 30 May 2011, 03:42

1) Hamilton
2) Mercedes GP Petronas F1 Team

David AGS · Post by **David AGS** » 30 May 2011, 07:42

Im a McLaren fan, but defo Hamilton. Bad race, okay, nice move on Schumacher, but terrible on Massa and sad on Maldonaldo.

Stupid comments at the end of the race. I am surprised Alonso hasnt said anything yet about the penalty!

Hope Petrov and Perez recover well enough to be okay for Canada

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 30 May 2011, 08:43

Benetton wrote:Since everyone is nominating Hamilton (and with good reason) I give my vote to Jaime Alguersuari. He absolutely sucked the whole weekend and was IMO the one that caused the race to be red flagged - I might be wrong though, have to look at a replay once more, but it was him who used Hamilton as a springboard which then took Petrov out so.. rejectful quali and race.

What Jaime said after the race is Hamilton slammed on the brakes (to avoid Sutil), and couldn´t avoid hitting Hamilton´s back at all. He was fighting for position anyway! And IMHO Petrov would have lost control anyway. It´s not clear if Petrov loses control because of Alguersuari, but the whole incident comes from Sutil.

David AGS · Post by **David AGS** » 30 May 2011, 09:40

What Jaime said after the race is Hamilton slammed on the brakes (to avoid Sutil), and couldn´t avoid hitting Hamilton´s back at all. He was fighting for position anyway! And IMHO Petrov would have lost control anyway. It´s not clear if Petrov loses control because of Alguersuari, but the whole incident comes from Sutil.

Yet, Sutil who just suffered a rear puncture, continues on to score some valuable points.

Benetton · Post by **Benetton** » 30 May 2011, 09:46

Aerond wrote:
Benetton wrote:Since everyone is nominating Hamilton (and with good reason) I give my vote to Jaime Alguersuari. He absolutely sucked the whole weekend and was IMO the one that caused the race to be red flagged - I might be wrong though, have to look at a replay once more, but it was him who used Hamilton as a springboard which then took Petrov out so.. rejectful quali and race.

What Jaime said after the race is Hamilton slammed on the brakes (to avoid Sutil), and couldn´t avoid hitting Hamilton´s back at all. He was fighting for position anyway! And IMHO Petrov would have lost control anyway. It´s not clear if Petrov loses control because of Alguersuari, but the whole incident comes from Sutil.

Yes the whole thing started with Sutil hitting the wall and limping in front of others to the pit. But that happens at Monaco. Can't see what Sutil did wrong, other than crashing, since his car was more or less uncontrollable.

But it might be that Hamilton was the one that misread Sutil's speed and direction only to realize that he needed to slam the brakes. In that case maybe Lewis could've read the situation better and progressively slowed down when he saw a broken FI ahead of him. However, I do want apply the same logic to Jaime. As a driver you need to be aware of what goes around you.

It was much more of a pure racing incident than anyone's fault, but fact is Jaime did nothing all weekend.

GroupLotusRenault · Post by **GroupLotusRenault** » 30 May 2011, 10:31

In all seriousness Hamilton could face some harsh punishments not just by his driving but putting the sport in the limelight (yet again for the wrong reasons), but this one is really bad. racism is never accepted, but how was Allan Mcnish being racist? Now everyone will be careful of what to say towards him now. He has given himself a even worse name.

noisebox · Post by **noisebox** » 30 May 2011, 11:14

I'm going to go angainst the grain here - I nominate Allan McNish. Hamilton was involved in racing incedents with Massa and Maldonado - Schumacher, Rosberg and Hamilton himself showed that overtaking was possible with some sensible driving from both parties. In particular, Massa definitely turned in deliberately on Hamilton and the Maldonado move was 50:50.

And Massa for the above and trying to kill himself and several marshalls and spectators by hooking up with the back of Rosberg at 180mph on the run up the hill - utter madness. Give up Fillipe...

howardmb · Post by **howardmb** » 30 May 2011, 11:32

I'll jump on the 'Lewis' bandwagon and vote him reject. I thought his performance was atrocious both during and after the race. It made all drivers look like petulant, immature little boys. In a race as big as Monaco, the world is watching. You are representing not only your racing class, but your team as well. Part of racing in the big leagues is at least trying to act the part. What a reject...

Myrvold · Post by **Myrvold** » 30 May 2011, 12:09

noisebox wrote:I'm going to go angainst the grain here - I nominate Allan McNish. Hamilton was involved in racing incedents with Massa and Maldonado - Schumacher, Rosberg and Hamilton himself showed that overtaking was possible with some sensible driving from both parties. In particular, Massa definitely turned in deliberately on Hamilton and the Maldonado move was 50:50.

And Massa for the above and trying to kill himself and several marshalls and spectators by hooking up with the back of Rosberg at 180mph on the run up the hill - utter madness. Give up Fillipe...

Sorry. But Massa couldn't disappear. And every late-move into the hairpin has been awarded with a crash, at least the last 20 years...

Enforcer · Post by **Enforcer** » 30 May 2011, 12:49

noisebox wrote:I'm going to go angainst the grain here - I nominate Allan McNish. Hamilton was involved in racing incedents with Massa and Maldonado - Schumacher, Rosberg and Hamilton himself showed that overtaking was possible with some sensible driving from both parties. In particular, Massa definitely turned in deliberately on Hamilton and the Maldonado move was 50:50.

And Massa for the above and trying to kill himself and several marshalls and spectators by hooking up with the back of Rosberg at 180mph on the run up the hill - utter madness. Give up Fillipe...

You do know you have to go full lock on the steering to make it around that corner?

Schumacher went past Hamilton on the entry to it on the first lap and Hamilton was still able to go full lock afterwards. Hamilton went up on the kerb and was trying to squeeze Massa past on the apex, so Massa had nowhere to go other than hitting Hamilton or the wall.

noisebox · Post by **noisebox** » 30 May 2011, 12:54

Enforcer wrote:You do know you have to go full lock on the steering to make it around that corner?

Schumacher went past Hamilton on the entry to it on the first lap and Hamilton was still able to go full lock afterwards. Hamilton went up on the kerb and was trying to squeeze Massa past on the apex, so Massa had nowhere to go other than hitting Hamilton or the wall.

How did Schumacher get round then? Hamilton gave him space, and even with a tighter entry line he still got round. Massa chose to have that accident.