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A Question On The Canadian GP

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Hi all i have a little question on the Canadian GP.

In 2010 we saw the start of the GP in well pitstop chaos....the tyres lasted about 9 laps or something right possibly a bit more...but...surely this race is going to be one of Very High Attrition as it could be a case of when the cars begin to rubber in the Pirelli's need replacing again we could see 4-5 pitstops in the first half of the race...either Pirelli will have to make the tyre allocations higher or drivers are going to have to somehow make worn out tyres last.... (could be 1 of those moments we see HRT,Virgin and Lotus in the points!) just wanted to know if anyone had any information on them?

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Eryx wrote:could be 1 of those moments we see HRT,Virgin and Lotus in the points!

All at once? I'll be watching.
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I imagine Pirelli would be well aware of the higher-than-usual amount of tyre wear at Montreal, and will most likely make the tyre allocations higher as a result. I hope they don't however, I would love to see cars being forced to finish the race on intermediates or even full wets as a result of wearing out all their slicks over the course of the weekend!
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This could end up being the most overhyped race since Bahrain 2010.
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Didn't it rain overnight every night of that weekend? IIRC this prevented the circuit from rubbering in properly which exacerbated the tyre problems. Bridgestone also brought soft tyres to that race (I know there was Super-Soft, but I can't remember what the other one was, soft or medium?) so I would expect Pirelli to bring hard tyres this time around.

I am not expecting an exceptionally bad races as far as tyres are concerned, certainly no worse than Sepang (3 or 4 stops).
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Is it possible that the experimental ultra durable tyres that they were trying out in Malaysia (FP1 and FP2 I believe) could be used or are they committed to the 4 compounds they submitted at the start of the season?

On a side note, in the 2011 predictions thread I predicted the winner of the Canadian GP would run a 5 stop race.
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IdeFan wrote:Didn't it rain overnight every night of that weekend? IIRC this prevented the circuit from rubbering in properly which exacerbated the tyre problems. Bridgestone also brought soft tyres to that race (I know there was Super-Soft, but I can't remember what the other one was, soft or medium?) so I would expect Pirelli to bring hard tyres this time around.

I am not expecting an exceptionally bad races as far as tyres are concerned, certainly no worse than Sepang (3 or 4 stops).


TBH I can't remember if it did rain overnight last year, but I certainly recall that last year Friday & Saturday track temperatures were fairly low. Whereas come Sunday the temperatures were higher, which was part of the reason the track had not rubbered in as one would have expected come that stage of the weekend. However I think part of the problem was also the Candian track surface, in particular the type of tarmac they are forced to use.

The Candian race organisers are forced to use a completely different type of tarmac than other F1 tracks, because Montreal winter's can be bitterly cold (like -30 degrees) & their summers can become pretty hot also. Therefore these changes in temperature causes any normal track surface to break up within a relatively short time scale.

Therefore the Montreal surface proved to be very abbrasive on the 2010 slick tyres, which caused graining for most of the teams (particularly on the hard tyres). One of the biggest suprises from the 2010 race, was how quickly the hard tyres deterierated compared to the softs in the early stages of the race. You may recall that Red Bull started on the hard tyres expecting to go much longer than it rivals, before they had to make their 1st stop. However Red Bull were amazed at just how quickly the 'hards' wore out compared to the softs in the early stages.

With this in mind, therefore I question whether it is just a case of Pirelli bringing a harder compound than Bridgestone did last year? Perhaps it is more a case of Pirelli bringing a compound which will "bite" more into the abrasive surface (especially in colder temperatures), therefore lay more rubber down & thus not cause graining problems as easily as the Brigdestone's did.

On the question of what will happen this year, I agree with IdeFan in that I am not expecting an exceptionally bad race as far as tyres are concerned, certainly no worse than Sepang (3 or 4 stops). Personally I think any more than 4 stops & the race just becomes a pit stop fest, thus extermely difficult to read from a strategy point of view.
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Whether or not the tyre issue happens, Canada is a great circuit that delivers excitement perhaps more than any other race, including Spa (dry weekends sometimes dull the action there). I expect DRS and Kers to play a part, and for some reason the nature of the circuit seems to inspire drivers to make passing moves all over. It's a circuit Herman Tilke is physiologically incapable of ever designing.

If the tyre issue does happen you've got traps like the S's off the back straight that seem to always catch rookies out and the wall of champions. That's before you get to the braking points on the hairpin and the long straight.

If the race is being hyped it's for a really good reason. All conventional wisdom dictates it will be exciting. Of course qualifying and where we are with the front running constructors dictates quite a lot as well.
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jackanderton wrote:Canada is a great circuit that delivers excitement perhaps more than any other race,


100% agree & Montreal is a great city also. Along with Spa it is my favourite race of any season.
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What if one set of Pirelli hard tyres turn out to last the entire race? Now that would be something... :D
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