Monza will be getting some track upgrades for 2017, the plans have been revealed and here's the stand outs:
* The Rettifilio chicane on the main straight will be removed. * The new layout will bypass most of the Curva Grande. (Mostly removed) * Most of the track will remain unchanged. * The Parabolica gravel will be restored. * Faster lap times.
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Joking aside, I think it could work well if the second chicane was removed. The run from the new chicane to that one will be too short for any meaningful overtaking.
Nice to see the Parabolica being restored to its former glory. It never looked right with tarmac runoff.
Fetzie on Ferrari wrote:How does a driver hurtling around a race track while they're sous-viding in their overalls have a better understanding of the race than a team of strategy engineers in an air-conditioned room?l
Oh...I didn't know about that lol, anyway are they totally getting rid of the Curva Grande or are they keeping it alongside the new track?, because from what I see from the drawing is that they are going to turn it into a patch of grass or run off area...I just hope not.
I like the new layout because it reminds me of the old Hockenheimring...and I loved that track.
The Chicane wrote:Oh...I didn't know about that lol, anyway are they totally getting rid of the Curva Grande or are they keeping it alongside the new track?, because from what I see from the drawing is that they are going to turn it into a patch of grass or run off area...I just hope not.
I like the new layout because it reminds me of the old Hockenheimring...and I loved that track.
They are removing Curva Grande. For them to get rid of the first chicane they cant keep Curva Grande as it is. limited run off they cant extend it as their is a road behind. I cant help but feel that its going to eliminate 2 overtaking opportunities.
Well, seeing as the race only took an hour and 18 mins last year, cars will be faster, circuit will be faster - this suggests it'll all be over in just over 70 minutes.... Not looking such good value for money ....
Personally I like the slight 'enduro' aspect to Grand Prix racing so I think its a bit short at 70 mins. A Grand Prix should be an event of some substance and not just a quick blast. Football matches are 105 mins from whistle to whistle, Indy is over 2 hours , films generally last over 70mins, Moto GP lacks a little something by being over too quick, and now we are getting towards the lower end of what constitutes a real 'event'. In my opinion anyway.
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yannicksamlad wrote:Well, seeing as the race only took an hour and 18 mins last year, cars will be faster, circuit will be faster - this suggests it'll all be over in just over 70 minutes.... Not looking such good value for money ....
Personally I like the slight 'enduro' aspect to Grand Prix racing so I think its a bit short at 70 mins. A Grand Prix should be an event of some substance and not just a quick blast. Football matches are 105 mins from whistle to whistle, Indy is over 2 hours , films generally last over 70mins, Moto GP lacks a little something by being over too quick, and now we are getting towards the lower end of what constitutes a real 'event'. In my opinion anyway.
I would personally love to see Grand Prix distances return to 500 km like they were before the 1950s, although I know it's not really feasible as that would mean almost every race hits well above the 2-hour mark.
peteroli34 wrote:They are removing Curva Grande. For them to get rid of the first chicane they cant keep Curva Grande as it is. limited run off they cant extend it as their is a road behind. I cant help but feel that its going to eliminate 2 overtaking opportunities.
I was meaning are they ripping up the old track or are they keeping it alongside the new track?
peteroli34 wrote:They are removing Curva Grande. For them to get rid of the first chicane they cant keep Curva Grande as it is. limited run off they cant extend it as their is a road behind. I cant help but feel that its going to eliminate 2 overtaking opportunities.
I was meaning are they ripping up the old track or are they keeping it alongside the new track?
Looking at the proposed new track, I doubt they will keep Curva Grande.
Its a very long drag to the first proper corner - assuming T1 the gentle curve is flat out for a grippy hi-aero 2017 F1 machine- so they'll sweep through T1 and arrive at the chicane even faster than they do now.... And T1- for those cars without so much downforce and adhesion - will be a very quick corner with the possibility for a very big accident from a very small nudge as you try to jostle for the position into the braking zone at the best passing opportunity on the track..no? There was a reason for having a chicane before Curva Grande...
Maybe T1 will actually be a braking zone for some types of racing ...but then that makes it hard to overtake.
And maybe I am wrong and it'll be great.
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Can't say I'm knocked out by it. I also thought they'll be hitting that first right hander/chicane at mighty speeds. I'd keep the old track for now just in case.
Well, the original plan for this was for it to be used by the motocycle racers and the current layout be kept for the cars. Indeed this original article on the news story here says that,
The changes will allow the bike racers - and possibly LMP1 cars during testing - to bypass the first chicane altogether. Around 400 trees will be felled to create additional run-off along the new section of track; these will be replanted elsewhere around Monza's Royal Park. Car races will continue to use the current circuit layout.
Production bikes last raced at Monza in 2013 and there have been numerous problems with collisions at the tight first chicane in past World Superbike encounters, particularly at the start of races when the field is bunched. Despite being eased for bike racers, the first chicane is still regarded as too problematic for two-wheeled machinery.
This removal of the 1st chicane is taking away 2 overtaking opportunities: no more 1st chicane and the run down towards the 2nd chicane will be too short. I don't like it at all.
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Minus the elevation change, obviously, I'm getting a serious vibe of The Chase from Bathurst in the new first chicane. Fast sweep directly into a chicane…I don't know about overtaking, but it sure would be spectacular to see.
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