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Given Monisha Kaltenborn wasn't at Bahrain this weekend, the situation looks dire at Hinwil.
Fetzie on Ferrari wrote:How does a driver hurtling around a race track while they're sous-viding in their overalls have a better understanding of the race than a team of strategy engineers in an air-conditioned room?l
gnrpoison wrote:Be a shame if it is
1993 - 2016, 24 seasons of F1 wonder if that is longer then Ligier, Tyrrell, Brabham managed?
Simtek wrote:gnrpoison wrote:Be a shame if it is
1993 - 2016, 24 seasons of F1 wonder if that is longer then Ligier, Tyrrell, Brabham managed?
Ligier - 21 seasons (1976-1996), 26 seasons counting Prost Grand Prix (1976-2001)
Tyrrell - 29 seasons as a constructor (1970-98), 31 seasons counting Matra International (1968-98). And no, I won't count BAR onwards given the massive transformation the team underwent.
Brabham - 26 seasons (1962-87), plus 4 seasons (1989-92), missing the 1988 season due to a change in ownership.
aerond wrote:Yes RDD, but we always knew you never had any sort of taste either![]()
tommykl wrote:I have a shite car and meme sponsors, but Corrado Fabi will carry me to the promised land with the power of Lionel Richie.
Aislabie wrote:I think that Sauber's biggest problem is that they're so isolated. They're not a junior set-up for a parent team (like Haas, Manor, Toro Rosso are for Ferrari, Mercedes and Red Bull), and they're not subsidised by a road car manufacturer (like McHonda and Renault).
It's why neither they, nor Force India has a sustainable future in the sport, and why Williams may start to find themselves in an uncomfortable position.
Mario on Gutierrez after the Italian Grand Prix wrote:He's no longer just a bit of a tool, he's the entire tool set.
Mitch Hedberg wrote:I want to be a race car passenger: just a guy who bugs the driver. Say man, can I turn on the radio? You should slow down. Why do we gotta keep going in circles? Man, you really like Tide...
Miguel98 wrote:Aislabie wrote:I think that Sauber's biggest problem is that they're so isolated. They're not a junior set-up for a parent team (like Haas, Manor, Toro Rosso are for Ferrari, Mercedes and Red Bull), and they're not subsidised by a road car manufacturer (like McHonda and Renault).
It's why neither they, nor Force India has a sustainable future in the sport, and why Williams may start to find themselves in an uncomfortable position.
Well, to a certain point, both Williams and Force India share technical alliances with Mercedes. And a lot of Mercedes drivers have found themselves in either Force India or Mercedes grounds: Paul Di Resta, Wehrlein (he drove a test with FI IIRC) or Gary Paffett.
Aislabie wrote:I think that Sauber's biggest problem is that they're so isolated. They're not a junior set-up for a parent team (like Haas, Manor, Toro Rosso are for Ferrari, Mercedes and Red Bull), and they're not subsidised by a road car manufacturer (like McHonda and Renault).
It's why neither they, nor Force India has a sustainable future in the sport, and why Williams may start to find themselves in an uncomfortable position.
Fetzie on Ferrari wrote:How does a driver hurtling around a race track while they're sous-viding in their overalls have a better understanding of the race than a team of strategy engineers in an air-conditioned room?l
Felipe Nasr - the least forgettable F1 driver!Murray Walker at the 1997 Austrian Grand Prix wrote:The other [Stewart] driver, who nobody's been paying attention to, because he's disappointing, is Jan Magnussen.
Rob Dylan wrote:What we want is BMW to buy themselves back in, with the glorious overdue return of Quick Nick Lars Heidfeld!
East Londoner wrote:Aislabie wrote:I think that Sauber's biggest problem is that they're so isolated. They're not a junior set-up for a parent team (like Haas, Manor, Toro Rosso are for Ferrari, Mercedes and Red Bull), and they're not subsidised by a road car manufacturer (like McHonda and Renault).
It's why neither they, nor Force India has a sustainable future in the sport, and why Williams may start to find themselves in an uncomfortable position.
Williams have diversified into engineering and hybrid technology in the last few years, so unlike Sauber they do have a fallback should the FOM monies reduce after this season.
Aislabie wrote:I knew they did something over at Williams Advanced Engineering - although no idea what (thanks for the extra info!) - which was why I'd not grouped them with Force India. Do you know whether the F1 Team helps fund WAE, or vice versa?
watka wrote:I find it amusing that whilst you're one of the more openly Christian guys here, you are still first and foremost associated with an eye for the ladies!
MCard LOLAdinizintheoven wrote:GOOD CHRISTIANS do not go to jail. EVERYONE ON FORMULA ONE REJECTS should be in jail.
Rob Dylan wrote:Mercedes paying homage to the other W12 chassis by breaking down 30 minutes in
Ataxia wrote:It's not much of a surprise, considering they're probably still paying off Giedo van der Garde after taking his money and doing a runner. Kaltenborn's apparently been scrabbling around in Switzerland for more sponsorship, but having gone from a reasonable financial position to a hand-to-mouth existence must raise some questions about her managerial abilities.
CoopsII wrote:How long until the tedious 'three car team' concept rears its ugly noggin again?
dinizintheoven wrote:CoopsII wrote:How long until the tedious 'three car team' concept rears its ugly noggin again?
I give it until Bernie find this thread and decides it's such a great idea it gets implemented for the next race.
DanielPT wrote:No need for it. With Red Bull effectively owning two teams, Mercedes edging closer to Manor and if Marchionne's manages to buy Sauber in the end you will end up not with 3 but for 4 cars per team although they will evidently have different names for image purposes.
Aislabie wrote:Because the best option for Alfa Romeo would totally be to buy an ailing and bankrupt team rather than setting up a new team using the Haas method (which, with Grosjean and Gutierrez in the race seats, is a Ferrari B team anyway now).
More likely that it's bought out and becomes Rotstier than Alfa.
Simtek wrote:Aislabie wrote:Because the best option for Alfa Romeo would totally be to buy an ailing and bankrupt team rather than setting up a new team using the Haas method (which, with Grosjean and Gutierrez in the race seats, is a Ferrari B team anyway now).
More likely that it's bought out and becomes Rotstier than Alfa.
It is a good option: Sauber have existing facilities and an existing workforce, whereas Haas had to be built from the ground up, which at the end of the day is far more expensive. Furthermore, Haas would most likely not be interested in running under the Alfa Romeo name, as it goes completely against his long-term goal of turning the team into a true independent outfit in its own right.
Marchionne seems pretty dead set on bringing back Alfa Romeo. This is very likely to be his best chance.
Mitch Hedberg wrote:I want to be a race car passenger: just a guy who bugs the driver. Say man, can I turn on the radio? You should slow down. Why do we gotta keep going in circles? Man, you really like Tide...
Ataxia wrote:Simtek wrote:It is a good option: Sauber have existing facilities and an existing workforce, whereas Haas had to be built from the ground up, which at the end of the day is far more expensive. Furthermore, Haas would most likely not be interested in running under the Alfa Romeo name, as it goes completely against his long-term goal of turning the team into a true independent outfit in its own right.
Marchionne seems pretty dead set on bringing back Alfa Romeo. This is very likely to be his best chance.
Sauber's facilities are excellent, they just haven't had the money to use them to their full potential. A FIAT takeover would be amazing, and as long as Nasr remains in F1 then it's win-win for me!
DanielPT wrote:Ataxia wrote:Simtek wrote:It is a good option: Sauber have existing facilities and an existing workforce, whereas Haas had to be built from the ground up, which at the end of the day is far more expensive. Furthermore, Haas would most likely not be interested in running under the Alfa Romeo name, as it goes completely against his long-term goal of turning the team into a true independent outfit in its own right.
Marchionne seems pretty dead set on bringing back Alfa Romeo. This is very likely to be his best chance.
Sauber's facilities are excellent, they just haven't had the money to use them to their full potential. A FIAT takeover would be amazing, and as long as Nasr remains in F1 then it's win-win for me!
Only if he goes to Williams, seeing as he is a Williams backed driver. I am sure FIAT would trial young Ferrari potential drivers. On top of my mind, they could line up Hulkenberg and Marciello. Together with Grosjean at Haas they can quickly compare all of them and avoid those Vettel-upsetting rumors of going with Ricciardo instead.
Mario on Gutierrez after the Italian Grand Prix wrote:He's no longer just a bit of a tool, he's the entire tool set.
AndreaModa wrote:Problem number 1: Sauber's base isn't in Italy. Why would you have a factory Alfa team in Switzerland?
The more I think about it, the more I feel that outsourcing aspects of the manufacturing process is a sensible idea. It's ridiculous to think each team should be able to manufacture everything themselves, and most aren't doing that any more anyway. I guess that's what Max's ultimate idea was back in 2010 - by bringing Xtrac and Cosworth back into the fold. This has to be the way to do things. I said it before, but look at the 70s. Aside from chassis construction, everything was bought in. DFV engine, Hewland gearbox, etc, etc. I'm sure there's plenty of suppliers out there willing to supply if they can do so at a competitive cost that doesn't ruin them.
dinizintheoven wrote:CoopsII wrote:How long until the tedious 'three car team' concept rears its ugly noggin again?
I give it until Bernie find this thread and decides it's such a great idea it gets implemented for the next race.
Regenmeister94 wrote:Personally, I don't see the point of a works team being the junior team to another, I just believe that if you're a works team you're subservient to no other teams.
mario wrote:For what it is worth, according to an article on the Dailysportscar website, one of the preconditions that Audi has insisted on before entering F1 would be the right to enter additional cars "in the most important races". If the sport does make a serious effort to lure VW in, that might lead to a renewed push to allow third cars.
Mexicola wrote:shinji wrote:Mexicola wrote: I'd rather listen to a dog lick its balls. Each to their own, I guess.
Does listening to a dog licking its balls get you excited?
That's between me and my internet service provider.
roblomas52 wrote:mario wrote:For what it is worth, according to an article on the Dailysportscar website, one of the preconditions that Audi has insisted on before entering F1 would be the right to enter additional cars "in the most important races". If the sport does make a serious effort to lure VW in, that might lead to a renewed push to allow third cars.
That was an April fools joke that particular article was.
http://www.dailysportscar.com/2016/04/0 ... paign.html
CoopsII wrote:If this is the end of the road for Sauber I won't be able to let go. It's unnatural, Sauber belongs to F1 and F1 belongs to Sauber.
Still I can't let go.